Men should be allowed to legally opt out of being a parent

[Dirk Diggler]

at you acting like CS payment is more than actually raising a child.

+1 This

The CS payment is enough for that whore to shut up. you are paying her what you need to pay her to keep her ass in place and quiet


I pay 1350 a month for daycare ALONE. This doesnt include diapers, food, books, clothes and all that other shyt. Granted its divided in two BUT 680 a month and then some takes a toll on a nikkas paycheck.....

Im pretty sure IF I had a choice I would rather pay the 12% of my paycheck and KIM

 

[Gus Money]

I agree that the system is flawed, but the logical thing to do would be to only have sex with someone if you can see yourself having a kid with him/her. A lot of men, and women, don't want to hear that though. People bragging about smashing random people raw and having one-night stands but then get surprised when pregnancy happens. shyt makes no sense to me. If you engage in that behavior, be prepared for the consequences. Don't just bail.

The only person I feel bad for in an unwanted pregnancy situation is the child. No kid deserves a parent who doesn't want to be a parent.

 

[Sharp]

As a father you can give up all of your rights. However, the mother has to consent to it.

The OP is saying that the father should be allowed to give up all parental rights without the mother consenting to it, meaning that he is not legally the father and therefore cannot be pursued for any type of support.

I actually like the idea of that because it neutralizes the leverage that the mother has. The mother still has choices. She can abort, adopt, or keep the baby. She is also aware that if she decides to go full term that she will be a single parent.

The main argument against this is that the father should be responsible for a child he helped create. If this is the case, then a father should also have equal rights. In a system where two parents who are not together, one parent will become the custodial guardian, and the other will become the non-custodial guardian. It is very rare that they will give the parents joint custodial custody. With that being said, there is no equality.

This argument is not to omit any person from responsibility. Having a baby with a woman that you don't want to pursue a relationship with at best will result in a man being a sponsor with visitation, denying him the complete experience of being a dad. Some men just don't want to go through that and want to relinquish their rights. I'm confident that men who have children with women they love and want to be with will never have these conversations or dilemmas.

 

[APD0290]

Fk that shyt you gotta see your seed grow real talk

 

[Dirk Diggler]

As a father you can give up all of your rights. However, the mother has to consent to it.

The OP is saying that the father should be allowed to give up all parental rights without the mother consenting to it, meaning that he is not legally the father and therefore cannot be pursued for any type of support.

I actually like the idea of that because it neutralizes the leverage that the mother has. The mother still has choices. She can abort, adopt, or keep the baby. She is also aware that if she decides to go full term that she will be a single parent.

The main argument against this is that the father should be responsible for a child he helped create. If this is the case, then a father should also have equal rights. In a system where two parents who are not together, one parent will become the custodial guardian, and the other will become the non-custodial guardian. It is very rare that they will give the parents joint custodial custody. With that being said, there is no equality.

This argument is not to omit any person from responsibility. Having a baby with a woman that you don't want to pursue a relationship with at best will result in a man being a sponsor with visitation, denying him the complete experience of being a dad. Some men just don't want to go through that and want to relinquish their rights. I'm confident that men who have children with women they love and want to be with will never have these conversations or dilemmas.

Why are these nikka bussing in chicks and expecting some type of bailout. fukk that.... on the whole idea. Whats gonna happen is I will have to shoot that nikka when he breaks into my house 16 years later and then the mother will be on TV crying like why did this have to happen to my child. FOH

 

[winb83]

You gotta pay to play my nikka. If nikkas wasnt sticking their dikks into each and every chick that looked fukkable shyt like that would be minimized. If the nikka is the father he should be held responsible THERE IS NO WALKING AWAY. nikkas want to be the bread winners/HNIC in a realationshyt and then complain when someone forces them to do so

this line of thinking is exactly why the system is so broken. if you don't force these women who have the ultimate final say so in the birth of these children to face some type of consequence for being irresponsible and instead place that burden on men alone you create a system that enables women to be irresponsible.

if the responsibility is oh no i have to raise this child alone with no help from anybody so be it.

why are you justifying placing the sole burden on the man's shoulders? just because a man has sex does not mean he wants to be a father.

lets have an example. you get head from a chick and nut in her mouth she sticks a finger in her mouth then her cooch and 9 months later guess what? did you wanna be a father just because you got head and came? you're basically encouraging sexual repression which leads to sexual deviancy with the attitude that if men want to have any type of sexual contact with the opposite sex they should accept fatherhood and be given no options.

 

[Black Ant]

*been known to thrown larvae in the bushes from time to time*

 

[Mowgli]

Demonic thread. Cats must really have no respect for their mothers.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

this line of thinking is exactly why the system is so broken. if you don't force these women who have the ultimate final say so in the birth of these children to face some type of consequence for being irresponsible and instead place that burden on men alone you create a system that enables women to be irresponsible.

Like I said earlier there wouldnt be a problem if you didnt contribute your 23 chromosomes. Why give her any leverage when you couldve prevented ALL of this by being responsible.

if the responsibility is oh no i have to raise this child alone with no help from anybody so be it.

why are you justifying placing the sole burden on the man's shoulders? just because a man has sex does not mean he wants to be a father.

Parenting is a mother and father job and just because I got taken through the ringer ta pay CS doesnt mean that bytch is off the hook either. She will have to modify her life ro some extend or the system will come and get the child.

lets have an example. you get head from a chick and nut in her mouth she sticks a finger in her mouth then her cooch and 9 months later guess what?

Unrealistic. its way harder than that to get pregnant ANYTHING that mixes with the sperm pretty much KILL its. You have to be
1. Bussing in chick consistently in order to get them pregnant
2. Bussing in them while they are ovulating (which is when they are their horniest) for this to happen. you have plenty chances, choose wisely

did you wanna be a father just because you got head and came? you're basically encouraging sexual repression which leads to sexual deviancy with the attitude that if men want to have any type of sexual contact with the opposite sex they should accept fatherhood and be given no options.

That was the plan from inception my G. The whole sperm, egg, ejaculation, orgasm etc is a plan for pregnancy if you arent smart enough to circumvent this you deserve what you get.

Demonic thread. Cats must really have no respect for their mothers.

Only reason a lot of these nikkas have the privilege of posting here is because their mothers didnt think like them....

 

[Sharp]

Why are these nikka bussing in chicks and expecting some type of bailout. fukk that.... on the whole idea. Whats gonna happen is I will have to shoot that nikka when he breaks into my house 16 years later and then the mother will be on TV crying like why did this have to happen to my child. FOH

I've actually had this debate offline and it's really interesting.

Scenario 1: A man and woman have sex. The woman gets pregnant. The man says he doesn't want to have the baby. The woman says she is having it because she wants the baby and it is her body.

Scenario 2: A man and woman have sex. The woman gets pregnant. The man is excited and wants to have the baby. The woman says she is getting an abortion because she doesn't want the baby and it is her body.

The problem isn't about unprotected sex. The issue is "choice", choice which ultimately falls into the hands of the female solely, with the man only being able to spectate how it all plays out.

The argument against this is that the man's choice was whether to have sex protected or unprotected, and after that he leaves everything up to the female. This is a great argument for scenario 1, but it raises questions for scenario 2.

As a man I made the decision to have unprotected sex and get this woman pregnant. Why is she overruling my decision without my consent? The simple answer is that it is her body, her decision.

So this isn't about unprotected sex, it is about decision, and the OP's goal is to give more decision making power back to the man. And if it is her body, and her sole decision, then why shouldn't she be liable for the consequences solely if she is aware that the man does not wish to see this pregnancy thru?

Food for thought.

 

[KnowledgeIsQueen]

+1 This

The CS payment is enough for that whore to shut up. you are paying her what you need to pay her to keep her ass in place and quiet


I pay 1350 a month for daycare ALONE. This doesnt include diapers, food, books, clothes and all that other shyt. Granted its divided in two BUT 680 a month and then some takes a toll on a nikkas paycheck.....

Im pretty sure IF I had a choice I would rather pay the 12% of my paycheck and KIM

Exactly!

@ complaining about 12% out of 100% (financially).

Paying child support will never compare to physically, mentally & emotionally raising a child 24/7/365

Threads such as this one make absolutely no sense & usually made by an individual who has never endured what they feel the need to complain about.

Yet, it goes to show the quickest way to hurt a man is via his pockets.

 

[winb83]

Like I said earlier there wouldnt be a problem if you didnt contribute your 23 chromosomes. Why give her any leverage when you couldve prevented ALL of this by being responsible.



Parenting is a mother and father job and just because I got taken through the ringer ta pay CS doesnt mean that bytch is off the hook either. She will have to modify her life ro some extend or the system will come and get the child.



Unrealistic. its way harder than that to get pregnant ANYTHING that mixes with the sperm pretty much KILL its. You have to be
1. Bussing in chick consistently in order to get them pregnant
2. Bussing in them while they are ovulating (which is when they are their horniest) for this to happen. you have plenty chances, choose wisely




That was the plan from inception my G. The whole sperm, egg, ejaculation, orgasm etc is a plan for pregnancy if you arent smart enough to circumvent this you deserve what you get.




Only reason a lot of these nikkas have the privilege of posting here is because their mothers didnt think like them....

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f4/dudes-putting-tabasco-sauce-condoms-179369/
why would a woman take a man's condom out of the trash and shove it in her cooch?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Exactly!

@ complaining about 12% out of 100% (financially).

Paying child support will never compare to physically, mentally & emotionally raising a child 24/7/365

Threads such as this one make absolutely no sense & usually made by an individual who has never endured what they feel the need to complain about.

Yet, it goes to show the quickest way to hurt a man is via his pockets.

They dont hear you

These nikkas dont understand sex is a vehicle for procreation they arent smart enough to beat the system and complain 9 months later when they got hemmed up them

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f4/dudes-putting-tabasco-sauce-condoms-179369/
why would a woman take a man's condom out of the trash and shove it in her cooch?

That bytch prolly had tendencies to begin with but because she was a dime or had a fat ass nikkas went against their judgement. Speak for yourself and not the next man....

She is the foolish one nonoxinol9 kills shyt sperm needs to be in an environment for it to floursih/swim. If not there is no amount of trying that will make it happen. This is coming from a nikka with one child, a miscarriage and one on the way with the same woman who I felt was fit to raise MY family. Its harder than you think

 

[Street Knowledge]

That male pill can't get here fast enough

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

I have to agree with winb here. I support legal paternal surrender rights for men. It would de-incentivize people who aren't ready to have kids into not having kids. If the dudes going to up leave anyway, what point does it make if its legally recognized or not? At least with LPS, you know just what type of situations you're dealing with before it hits that point.