Men should be allowed to legally opt out of being a parent

[KnowledgeIsQueen]

There is validity to the OP's line of thought. It just goes against your beliefs and ideology when it comes to this topic.

The argument is not, and to my knowledge from reading this thread, never a financial argument. The issue solely lies in "choice" and who has the power of choice.

I don't think anybody would even attempt to compare the payments of child support to the actual duties of raising a child 24/7.

I think everybody is in agreement with you on these points, but I feel like we're digressing from the argument when we bring these things up.

The primary argument is that he decided to have sex unprotected and so he has given her 100% decision making ability when she becomes pregnant. It would be a different pretense if it went as follows

1) If man gets girl pregnant, she is going to have the baby
2) man gets girl pregnant
3) therefore she is going to have the baby

But that's not what the OP is trying to state. The OP is saying

1) If man gets girl pregnant, girl has 100% decision on whether to keep or abort
2) man gets girl pregnant
3) therefore girl has 100% decision on whether to keep or abort.

It's all about choice, and as I mentioned earlier, certain arguments fall apart if the women decides to have an abortion when the man knew the risks, got the girl pregnant and actually wanted to have the baby.

Something to think about.

There isn't much to think about outside of common sense.

You can paint as many scenarios you deem fit, it doesn't negate the fact that as man/woman whenever you have sex there's a possibility of creating life.

You can't argue about "choice" after the fact, especially if society shows you time and time again it's not in your hands to choose.

Men set themselves up for failure and want everyone to attend their pity party

 

[Ronnie Lott]

my argument once again is at any stage a woman can opt out so a man should be treated equally to her in that regard. is your argument then that i am wrong and men and women shouldn't be treated equally?

i don't care if he busted in her raw or had a condom on because again how the pregnancy occurred has nothing to do with the fact that at any point a woman can opt out. is that not true? if a woman chooses to have raw sex with a man and he bust in her can she not opt out at any point?

for a woman the act of having sex alone is not consent to having a child. if that's the case why should it be for a man? because...? i'm still waiting for a legitimate answer to why a man shouldn't be given the same options as a woman.

U sound retarded bruh. Seriously. Once u willingly bust in a broad, u have to know that there is a chance that the chick could become pregant. Fucc all this bullshht u talkin about with "wemon can terminate the pregnancy bullshhyt". If a dude duznt wana have kids or he isn't responsible enough. Then don't be bustin in chix raw. Once u do that u have already potentially committed yourself to fatherhood.. I'm sorry man but the world doesn't work how u think. U got shyt azz backwards

 

[TheScarsOnSealsFace]

Nobody should have a problem with men opting out of fatherhood. There is no shortage of men that is willing to step up to be the father of a broad's baby. The world isn't going to end just cuz a nikka says no to being a daddy. All that will happen is that another nikka will take his place. Besides, why try to force a nikka to be a father if he don't want to be a father?



Women have NO problems...NONE...with finding a nikka to support her and her kids. nikkas trying to dismiss that fact is

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Nobody should have a problem with men opting out of fatherhood. There is no shortage of men that is willing to step up to be the father of a broad's baby. The world isn't going to end just cuz a nikka says no to being a daddy. All that will happen is that another nikka will take his place. Besides, why try to force a nikka to be a father if he don't want to be a father?



Women have NO problems...NONE...with finding a nikka to support her and her kids. nikkas trying to dismiss that fact is

Bruh. Are u serious. That's one of the main resons the black community is fucced up is bcuz too many nyggaz opted out from bein a father.Most nyggaz that join gangs or start hustlin or start livin street life don't have fathers in their lives. U have to know that is a fact.. and u are wrong that men are lined up ready to be a father to the next nyggaz kid. So many of the dudes here won't seriously date a chick that has kids, and 4sure won't sign up to rasie the nxt nyggaz kids. And ur right, no woman should have to force a guy to be a father of his kids. That nygga should automaticly raise and take care of his flesh & blood. Its his fuccin kid.. do u thin that nyggaz are lined up in droves to marry a single mother with 4 kids? Hell no. Nygga u sound lost

 

[TheScarsOnSealsFace]

Bruh. Are u serious.

Yea, I am serious. It doesn't matter how many men opt-out. Men/Fathers can be replaced. If a 'single' mother can't find a man to replace the a$$hole/bad boy/deadbeat/player man that knocked her up....oh well.

Let em die. Women who get it right the first time have no difficulty with men optin-out because a woman with dignity and pride will only have sex with men that opts-in.

I could give a flying fukk about women who are averse to a man who is responsible/ready to be a father/non-deadbeat thug/whoever black women dikk they suck on etc. And so on nikka. Nobody should be rewarding those dumb broads. Women that get it right don't give a fukk about men opting-out because they choose a responsible man in the first place.

But keep making excuses for dumb ass women kid.

This should be good.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Yea, I am serious. It doesn't matter how many men opt-out. Men/Fathers can be replaced. If a 'single' mother can't find a man to replace the a$$hole/bad boy/deadbeat/player man that knocked her up....oh well.

Let em die. Women who get it right the first time have no difficulty with men optin-out because a woman with dignity and pride will only have sex with men that opts-in.

I could give a flying fukk about women who are averse to a man who is responsible/ready to be a father/non-deadbeat thug/whoever black women dikk they suck on etc. And so on nikka. Nobody should be rewarding those dumb broads. Women that get it right don't give a fukk about men opting-out because they choose a responsible man in the first pla



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U keep makin excusese for nyggaz who walk out on their kids. U can't have it both ways. U can't fault the woman for pickin a "deadbeat dad" u are excusing the guy from bein a father and giving him no responsibilty. What about the kids? U are ok with a man walkin out on the responsibilities of his kids? When a kid without a father grows up and finaaly meets his dad for the 1st time and the kid asks "why weren't u around?" Would u be ok with the dad saying to the kid /ecause I didn't feel like it?

 

[YBE]

Men can use protection to prevent pregnancy. Women can use various methods of BC to prevent pregnancy. After conception is where gets tricky.



If a woman gets pregnant & the man doesn't want the child.....tough shyt, you're a dad now

If the man wants the child & the woman doesnt.......tough shyt, to the vacuum it goes



We're giving women 100% of the decision making power but, still requiring men to foot 50% of the bill. That's not right. "You have no say so in the matter whatsoever but, you're on the hook financially" That's fukked up. Since we can't tell people what to do with their bodies, men should have the option to give up their parental rights. What better deterrent (that's the objective, right?) to this situation is there....



then letting opportunistic women know men who've been trapped into a situation they didn't oblige to won't be on the hook financially & that the government would have higher requirements before providing aid. this shyt would stop next week Logistically, I think there should be mandatory paternity tests upon birth & if a man chooses to sign the BC, its his responsibility from that point forward. Logically, there's nothing unfair about this. People just think a man running out on a kid he didn't want is wrong. It's his choice. How is that any worse than a woman vacuuming a man's child into a petri dish because she didn't want it? Atleast the kid gets the chance to live in his version

 

[TheScarsOnSealsFace]

U keep makin excusese for nyggaz who walk out on their kids.

No...I don't.

Women give these nikkas excuses when they are looking for their new sugar daddy.

All I am doing is observing. I'm sitting back and laughing at these broads. Just like women are laughing at these broads.

Consider this, women who choose the right men aren't complaining. They aren't the ones denying this shyt and telling me and other men to man up or else or none of that bullshyt.

However, trifling hoes have to keep up the nikkas ain't shyt narrative to get sympathy and nikkas on thier side. Women have p*ssy power. They can get a man that will take care of them and theirs.

I do not feel sorry for these hoes and never will. Manipulative hoes get what they want and if they don't want a father/man to handle that oh welll...I don't feell sorry for them

Now that I got that out of the way....Legal Parental Surrender is best for men. We'll be in a better world if men told women to fukk off with their ashy ass kids and the men that want kids will have them.....No more deadbeat dads, just commited dads that are ready and willing for everything. So yes, men should be able to opt-out, until we get most young men to opt-in. Anything else....uncivilzed.

 

[TheScarsOnSealsFace]

You go girl.

 

[filial_piety]

No...I don't.

Women give these nikkas excuses when they are looking for their new sugar daddy.

All I am doing is observing. I'm sitting back and laughing at these broads. Just like women are laughing at these broads.

Consider this, women who choose the right men aren't complaining. They aren't the ones denying this shyt and telling me and other men to man up or else or none of that bullshyt.

However, trifling hoes have to keep up the nikkas ain't shyt narrative to get sympathy and nikkas on thier side. Women have p*ssy power. They can get a man that will take care of them and theirs.

I do not feel sorry for these hoes and never will. Manipulative hoes get what they want and if they don't want a father/man to handle that oh welll...I don't feell sorry for them

Now that I got that out of the way....Legal Parental Surrender is best for men. We'll be in a better world if men told women to fukk off with their ashy ass kids and the men that want kids will have them.....No more deadbeat dads, just commited dads that are ready and willing for everything. So yes, men should be able to opt-out, until we get most young men to opt-in. Anything else....uncivilzed.

I agree with you a 110% on this but bear in mind that the cats you are debating this with are children of deadbeat dudes themselves. Essentially you are telling them to swallow all of the pain that they have experinced in their lives and blame their moms for the choices that they made in the very men that conceived them. In some ways you are even suggesting that they should have never been born.

So dudes are going to fight you and the OP tooth and nail regardless of how balanced your argument is.

 

[msims]

I LOVE HOW THIS POST WAS SKIPPED.

I've actually had this debate offline and it's really interesting.

Scenario 1: A man and woman have sex. The woman gets pregnant. The man says he doesn't want to have the baby. The woman says she is having it because she wants the baby and it is her body.

Scenario 2: A man and woman have sex. The woman gets pregnant. The man is excited and wants to have the baby. The woman says she is getting an abortion because she doesn't want the baby and it is her body.

The problem isn't about unprotected sex. The issue is "choice", choice which ultimately falls into the hands of the female solely, with the man only being able to spectate how it all plays out.

The argument against this is that the man's choice was whether to have sex protected or unprotected, and after that he leaves everything up to the female. This is a great argument for scenario 1, but it raises questions for scenario 2.

As a man I made the decision to have unprotected sex and get this woman pregnant. Why is she overruling my decision without my consent? The simple answer is that it is her body, her decision.

So this isn't about unprotected sex, it is about decision, and the OP's goal is to give more decision making power back to the man. And if it is her body, and her sole decision, then why shouldn't she be liable for the consequences solely if she is aware that the man does not wish to see this pregnancy thru?

Food for thought.

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[Dirk Diggler]

I LOVE HOW THIS POST WAS SKIPPED.


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I skipped it on purpose and I admit that... I didnt feel like breaking it down so I left it alone

 

[Mac]

Actually you CAN relinquish all rights and responsibilities....just some paperwork...

 

[rapdonttweet]

5. When the bytch on welfare its a nikka like me paying taxes that is gonna feel the crunch for you bringing in another air breather dead to society little b*stard ass child

Basically. My working ass is supposed to pay for those of you who are irresponsible and deadbeat?

This scenario which is apparently an "issue" for coli posters has fukkall to do with me. I put the rubber on first time smashing a chick. If its a chick I'm smashing repeatedly she's on birth control. Play your role and don't ask society to pay for you being a deadbeat.

 

[killacal]

it's your child too. Do you not get that? Regardless if you knock up a model or a nasty hood booger it's still your child.