Men should be allowed to legally opt out of being a parent

[Sierra Mist]

And reading more of this thread the generic replies are in full swing. "Man up." Women get all the choice and power but none of the responsibility while men get ALL the responsibility but no power or choice. The term "man up" doesn't mean shyt when you define "manning up" as taking all the responsibility without having the power to make chief decisions and leadership. Responsibility doesn't come without power. You guys don't even understand that basic fact. That's like me saying "you cannot drive this car. Only I have the say so in driving this vehicle. Only I'm allowed to drive this car even though we both paid an equal amount to buy it. You have NO choice and NO say in the matter..... but if I crash the car it's still your fault."


See how dumb that shyt is?

Yeah. Lock this shyt.

 

[Nintendough]

A man has a choice by being more protective of his seed. Stop recklessly throwing it in bushes like it has no value.

 

[duck]

Whys winb even concerned with this.

He ain't ever gunna have any damn kids. That requires getting some p*ssy first

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

This is the dumbest shyt that I've ever read. That way of thinking is why we fail as a ppl. Just proves to me that most don't want to take responsibility. You want to opt out of something that you brought here in this world. You dudes are acting like bytches every single day. I wish the world would rid all you punk ass fakkits

 

[thegreatest]

Abortion is a woman's choice aka the individual who actually has to endure the procedure.

As opposed to the man who then has to payroll the consequences of said procedure for 18 years?

FOH.

Did women NOT fight for the right to have a choice to not be a mother and opt out of parenthood and anyone who told her she didn't have the right to opt out of parenthood was an archaic a$$hole and it was her choice???

Yeah, now them bytches and their simps because we want the same right for ourselves. Society is ass backwards.

Women get all the choice and power but none of the responsibility while men get ALL the responsibility but no power or choice. The term "man up" doesn't mean shyt when you define "manning up" as taking all the responsibility without having the power to make chief decisions and leadership. Responsibility doesn't come without power. You guys don't even understand that basic fact. That's like me saying "you cannot drive this car. Only I have the say so in driving this vehicle. Only I'm allowed to drive this car even though we both paid an equal amount to buy it. You have NO choice and NO say in the matter..... but if I crash the car it's still your fault."

clap for 'em

 

[Towlie]

no, what's happening is women are trying to pin babies on men who didn't want to be fathers to begin with. seems like the culture of trapping men with that responsibility always goes unspoken.

i agree in accountability, but i'm sick of this man-up attitude y'all spewing. women can use bc, abort, or adopt; they can opt out at any time. it's us who have absolutely 0 legal say in the matter.

like i said earlier, birth control for men is coming; so this shyt wont even be an issue pretty soon. these hoes are going to have to find another way to lock dudes down.

Again, don't put your dikk in any woman you wouldnt have a baby with

This isn't a game, its real life

And yes hoes is grimey for tryin to trap dudes, but that's hoes for you

Sex wasn't given to us to see how many women we can fukk..its supposed to be sacred and with your wife..hence nobody can trap you

 

[kevm3]

As a man, you just have to handle that responsibility. If you choose to have sex and end up impregnating a woman, you need to handle your business and take care of YOUR kid. Let's be real, who REALLY looks at a woman who has abortions in a positive light-- as some sort of fighter for choice? They don't. The legal system isn't fair, but that should never get in the way of a man choosing to step up and take care of HIS kid.

 

[spliz]

Who gonna pay for it when 90% of TheColi is fukking raw knowing damn well they to broke to afford the child EVEN IF IT WERE theirs????



If nikkas made better decision with the folk they trusted their lives with shyt like this wouldnt even be an issue shawty asked me what if she didnt know who the father was. I was like that bytch doesnt need any handouts if she fukking with two nikka that close not to know who the father is

Son..u actually thing ALL females are honest bout they shyt?..lol..come on man..its not a bad idea...some dudes raise a child all the way up until adulthood only to find out its not even their blood child...

 

[winb83]

if you want to opt out dont have sex or stay strapped

Or the fukking government could step in and instead of telling men to bend over and spread them they could treat men like humans with actually rights. In every situation when it comes to family law men get fukked over and we got men trying to defend it.

 

[spliz]

As a man, you just have to handle that responsibility. If you choose to have sex and end up impregnating a woman, you need to handle your business and take care of YOUR kid. Let's be real, who REALLY looks at a woman who has abortions in a positive light-- as some sort of fighter for choice? They don't. The legal system isn't fair, but that should never get in the way of a man choosing to step up and take care of HIS kid.

Real as it gets...

 

[Sharp]

How can one argue about societal prevalence?

If both parties know there are consequences to their actions why is it that the man refuses to accept he has no control after conception? He should exercise his 'rights' before coming to the point of no return. The same applies to a woman who decides to have a child knowing a man can opt out of helping her raise it.

I think the real question is why shouldn't he have some control after conception?

I've been listening to many of the arguments made in this thread and a majority of them are pro conformity and status quo. However, the reasoning and deductive arguments are poor, whereas the OP is actually backing up his argument with a reasonable assessment. One thing I enjoy about debating with people online is that you can read what they write and instantly witness the fallacies in their argument.

Nobody has yet to answer my scenario 2. In fact, with the exception of you, I've noticed that all of my posts have been ignored.

The best argument in defense of the status quo is that it is her body and her right to choose, but if you use that, then you can't focus your argument on protective sex. The whole contraceptive argument is weak and falls apart in scenario 2 where the man wants to have the baby, yet the women wants to abort. This also destroys the frequently used "man up" argument.

OP is saying that the women still has a choice to decide whether she wants to keep or abort after conception. Why does the man have no recourse? The argument I hear is that when you have unprotected sex, then you are consenting to the possibility that you will be responsible for a baby if she decides to carry full term. However, if she has unprotected sex, she did not consent to having a baby, only the risk of pregnancy, and at that point still has the option of aborting and absolving herself of responsibility.

The OP is simply asking, how come as men, we don't have that final step of being vindicated of wanting to be a dad after conception? This question has not been answered clearly, effectively, and definitely not to my standards.

 

[itskontos]

No they shouldn't. Wear a condom and stop busting nuts.

 

[winb83]

And reading more of this thread the generic replies are in full swing. "Man up." Women get all the choice and power but none of the responsibility while men get ALL the responsibility but no power or choice. The term "man up" doesn't mean shyt when you define "manning up" as taking all the responsibility without having the power to make chief decisions and leadership. Responsibility doesn't come without power. You guys don't even understand that basic fact. That's like me saying "you cannot drive this car. Only I have the say so in driving this vehicle. Only I'm allowed to drive this car even though we both paid an equal amount to buy it. You have NO choice and NO say in the matter..... but if I crash the car it's still your fault."


See how dumb that shyt is?

Yeah. Lock this shyt.

and you know what they say when a woman aborts a child that a man wants and he gets no say so? nothing cause they don't give a shyt.

none of the people arguing against this care about men's right or giving a man a choice its all about what the woman wants fukk the man.. its all about demonizing the man, punishing the man, pushing responsibility on the man. women typically get a pass to be irresponsible but men don't.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Son..u actually thing ALL females are honest bout they shyt?..lol..come on man..its not a bad idea...some dudes raise a child all the way up until adulthood only to find out its not even their blood child...

Not my problem and I shouldnt have to foot the bill anyways. If you dont know who you got pregnant or the person you got pregnant doesnt know who the father is you got more problems than a paternity test....

 

[winb83]

damn this woman is going all out on society's hypocrisy.

outside of marriage from the moment of conception until well after birth children are in the strictest legal sense the property of the mother to do with as she sees fit and if they're the property of the mother then they should really be her property. it should be her job to take care of that child.

there are three sets of rights involved in an unplanned pregnancy the rights of the mother, the rights of the child, and the rights of the father right now the woman has 100% of the post conception rights of herself and of the child. the child has no rights at all beyond that which the mother sees fit to give it... and the man has no rights at all and whatever obligation the woman chooses to extract from him