Microsoft employee: Kinect cost about as much to build as Xbox One itself

[PS5 Pro]

and at the same time, you are denying that it will never fully take over

we ALL have accepted that it can provide OPTIONS to gaming.. madden you can call out plays.. mass effect you can call out powers.. other games you can dance around.. i thought that karate game was fun.. it was a side scroller that used your whole body.. you were literally in the living room playing final fight


BUT... if we are gonna be serious here, lets stop acting like the day will come when you DON'T NEED A CONTROLLER.. that's virtual reality.. not glasses... literally virtual reality type gaming. how in the hell would anybody play any of the top ten games with NO controller.. there's too much to do.. too much ground (map) to cover and so many inputs it would have to learn


like dude said.. imagine playing any sports or sandbox games.. as is... without a controller... we can play make believe.. you have 20 billion dollars, kinect 5.0, and gta 10... work it out for us

I'll try, but you kinda all over the place. The game you talking about "Kung Fu whatever" was $5 recently, I copped it too So you know first hand how fun Kinect can be. Kinect Sports. You mentioned how it helps Madden but that is something that is downplayed by the masses. I really can't play Madden anymore without it. After having that type of control on the field, it sucks NOT having that type of control. The problem is if I never tried that, I wouldn't realize how important it is. I'm guessing you are just aware of how it works in Madden but you never actually tried it yourself? I know this because if you did use it for that game, you'd totally understand how Kinect can make MOST games better if implemented correctly. As for what new experiences are coming? You just can't see it yourself. Thats fine, but I can assure you it won't be more of the same from last gen. I know for for a FACT. I'll show you details in a minute...

I feel sorry for the Xbots who shytted on Nintendo for years for the motion control gimmick who now feel obliged to love motion controls simply because its a central part of X1 and is driving up the cost for a system that is going to be less powerful than the PS4.

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nah fukk that, I ain't sorry at all for you dumb muthafukkaz. Y'all know kinect is wack and does very little if anything to enhance gaming, but y'all in deep denial and can't even be honest with yaselves cause y'all are some brand name zombies. Eat shyt suckers. Hahahahahahahaha.

And who would these people be You guys have an uncanny ability to make up shyt and then get dapped it for it
I was the biggest fan of the Wii on this site. Not at first, but I was the most consistent. I Wii was a gimmick ONLY because gamers didn't want to give it a chance. Just like Kinect 2.0... same shyt. I was blind too. But I was part of the Mod Squad, so I got to try out 100's of games I'd of never touched. Zak & Wiki is one of the best games this gen. Most don't know that cuz they never played it. Just me and Chewy pretty much. COD on Wii was also extremely fun as long as you had the Zapper add-on. The Zapper made gun games actually fun. IN COD for instance you could lean around corners like they do on PC, and the whole thing worked excellent once you got the controls down. I also knew while playing it that most gamers wouldn't try the games out the way they was meant to be played. There loss. Then 3rd parties stopped making games, I knew it was too late because gamers today talk too much... you are trying to talk away Kinect right now, history is repeating itself. But Kinect is all about making history. Its the fastest selling electronics device in the history of the world. Look it up on Guiness book of world records

 

[PS5 Pro]

it doubles the production cost of the console and forces them to raise their retail price to above all competitors for a device many people don't want or need. since their direct competitor gives the option to not have such a device and not have it for $100 less many of the people who don't want it and are unwilling to pay will just go there instead costing them market share.

You seem to have it figured out already, I wonder what gamers will do when they have the systems in there hands tho

If it goes beyond gaming, why force it on a gaming device? Why not just make it a separate stand alone device that will enhance your home entertainment?

The Xbox One is your home entertainment all in one box, wTf are you talking about? Let me stop your fanboy rant in its tracks, and yes, fanboy. You know why? You are really sitting here trying to HATE on having more options
You don't understand Kinect, great. You will. Begging for less, man, thats otherworldly stanning right there boy

I'll admit this is sorta true, Samsung is even putting Gesture & Voice controls in their new smart TVs: Samsung Smart TV 2013 with Smart Interaction - Discover What's New

But the Xbox fanboys are definitely Cysing the new Kinect. If Smart TV's are using Voice & gesture, of course PS Camera will do that. Sony is a Electronics/Entertainment giant. It's obvious they have planned ahead with the PS4 design, they're not about be left behind on this shyt.



Mmm-hmm, if what Meach is saying really is true than technically that will drive PS Camera sales. If Smart TVs, Smarphones, tablets, etc. can do Gesture & Voice controls, ain't know reason you can't do that shyt with the PS Camera/PS4. The PS Camera has 3D depth sensing & four-channel microphone array forgodsake.

CVG Blog: Eye spy: Has Sony found its answer to Kinect? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Here's your problem. You think because of all those things, people will warm up to Kinect. I'm TELLING you its the otherway around. Kinect is the reason those other devices will play copy cat. Guaranteed!

 

[Bondye Vodou]

fukk kinect, dem homos better release a kinect free version or take second place to the ps4. Simple as that

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

how do you think you get from sitting on your butt with a controller to virtual reality? something has to be bridge the gap. kinect is it.

that's a big gap is all i'm saying.. i'm not one of the people that thinks it's a useless piece of shyt. the tech is amazing for what it's worth

my only issue is, it's an add-on. a controller is a requirement.. you can't play certain/most/all games with no controller. you couldn't play most games if you took off 3-4 buttons

but the kinect ADDS to games. you can play perfectly fine without it. so for a certain type of gamer, it's seen as a product that isn't needed OR wanted. you couldn't tell me why a MUST have a kinect except for the fact that MS said i have to have one. you can tell me why i SHOULD want one.. why is NICE to have one.

but not why it should be mandatory if you are not the type to like or play those types of games. it's not like you're voice commanding something that the controller doesn't do anyway. it's a convenience thing and shouldn't be mandatory.. especially when people might just be paying for something they won't use.




@PS4 i've used my kinect for a lot of games. i was just given the latest madden so i'll try it out on that too.. it did help in mass effect to not have to cycle through powers every damn time. i'm sure they'll find a million uses

all i was saying is, i would rather have paid 399 or whatever it may be... then wait until i found the feature that makes me say "damn i need to get one of those" then go out and get it.. it is what is it now. we have no choice.. but it would have been nice

 

[MeachTheMonster]

it doubles the production cost of the console and forces them to raise their retail price to above all competitors for a device many people don't want or need. since their direct competitor gives the option to not have such a device and not have it for $100 less many of the people who don't want it and are unwilling to pay will just go there instead costing them market share.

You keep saying most people don't want it and that's entirely untrue. Most people do want it. The so called hardcore gamer likes to rage against almost anything. But the rest of the general public, the majority of people who will be buying the games/consoles see the kinect as a plus

If it goes beyond gaming, why force it on a gaming device? Why not just make it a separate stand alone device that will enhance your home entertainment?

The Xbox One is more than a gaming device. And the kinect adds a lot to the gaming experience. Why not add revolutionary tech to a gaming system that will be on sale for at least the next 10 years?

I'll admit this is sorta true, Samsung is even putting Gesture & Voice controls in their new smart TVs: Samsung Smart TV 2013 with Smart Interaction - Discover What's New

But the Xbox fanboys are definitely Cysing the new Kinect. If Smart TV's are using Voice & gesture, of course PS Camera will do that. Sony is a Electronics/Entertainment giant. It's obvious they have planned ahead with the PS4 design, they're not about be left behind on this shyt.



Mmm-hmm, if what Meach is saying really is true than technically that will drive PS Camera sales. If Smart TVs, Smarphones, tablets, etc. can do Gesture & Voice controls, ain't know reason you can't do that shyt with the PS Camera/PS4. The PS Camera has 3D depth sensing & four-channel microphone array forgodsake.

CVG Blog: Eye spy: Has Sony found its answer to Kinect? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

No. The ps eye nor smart TV's can do what the kinect does. They don't have the technology or the processing power to do so. They may try to replicate the kinect, but as of right now the kinect is in a league of its own.

 

[satam55]

No. The ps eye nor smart TV's can do what the kinect does. They don't have the technology or the processing power to do so. They may try to replicate the kinect, but as of right now the kinect is in a league of its own.

Do they Have to? Based on the specs, PS Camera should be better than the Kinect 1. Is the average person gonna really care if the PS camera is a Kinect 1.5?
But anyways, for the New Samsung SmartTVs to have all those features, it probably has a ARM System on a Chip that is found in top Tablets & Smartphones, so it that means Samsung's SmartTVs have their own multi-core CPU, GPU, & RAM.

 

[-DMP-]

I will be interested in Kinect when Microsoft comes out with its version of the Oculus rift.

That will be the TRUE progression of gaming. Virtual Reality gaming

-DMP-

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Do they Have to? Based on the specs, PS Camera should be better than the Kinect 1. Is the average person gonna really care if the PS camera is a Kinect 1.5?
But anyways, for the New Samsung SmartTVs to have all those features, it probably has a ARM System on a Chip that is found in top Tablets & Smartphones, so it has own multi-core CPU, GPU, & RAM.

No the pseye will not be able to outperform the first kinect. It's totaly different technology. The pseye is basically a webcam it was not designed for motion controls. And they won't be putting enough processing power in TV's to replicate the kinect for years to come, if ever. Look at current smart TV's. yeah they can go on the web and play apps, but TV manufacturers always go low on the processing power, so the apps are slow and laggy and the overall experience doesn't compare to a stand alone system such as roku or Apple TV.

 

[satam55]

No the pseye will not be able to outperform the first kinect. It's totaly different technology. The pseye is basically a webcam it was not designed for motion controls.

The original Eyetoy on the PS2 could do simple voice & gesture commands for certain titles. Of course the PS4 Camera is designed for motion controls. The two 720p/60fps cameras lens (while the Kinect 1 only had a 480i/30fps lenses) can be used together for 3D depth-sensing, it has 4 microphones (for voice commands & noise cancellation), Kinect-style body tracking, Face Recognition, & etc.

It feels like you just assumed the PS Camera was a regular-ass webcam & never bothered reading up on it. Here some links:

CVG Blog: Eye spy: Has Sony found its answer to Kinect? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

PS4 Eye promises to unlock your PlayStation at a glance, tips hat to Kinect

PS4 Eye has two cameras: One to watch you, one to make you pretty | Joystiq

PlayStation 4 Eye: Applications of PS4's twin cameras - Destructoid

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The original Eyetoy on the PS2 could do simple voice & gesture commands for certain titles. Of course the PS4 Camera is designed for motion controls. The two 720p/60fps cameras lens (while the Kinect 1 only had a 480i/30fps lenses) can be used together for 3D depth-sensing, it has 4 microphones (for voice commands & noise cancellation), Kinect-style body tracking, Face Recognition, & etc.

It feels like you just assumed the PS Camera was a regular-ass webcam & never bothered reading up on it. Here some links:

CVG Blog: Eye spy: Has Sony found its answer to Kinect? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

PS4 Eye promises to unlock your PlayStation at a glance, tips hat to Kinect

PS4 Eye has two cameras: One to watch you, one to make you pretty | Joystiq

PlayStation 4 Eye: Applications of PS4's twin cameras - Destructoid

They have not demonstrated this thing working at all. I understand its updated but I think they threw it in the bushes for a reason.

 

[satam55]

They have not demonstrated this thing working at all. I understand its updated but I think they threw it in the bushes for a reason.

Because they wanted to keep $400 price for the PS4. Before the Ram was upped from 4gigs to 8gigs, It was obvious that the PS Camera was going to be bundled-in when you read all these articles. They couldn't keep the PS4 at $400 with both 8GB of GDDR5 RAM & the PS Camera.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Because they wanted to keep $400 price for the PS4. Before the Ram was upped from 4gigs to 8gigs, It was obvious that the PS Camera was going to be bundled-in when you read all these articles. They couldn't keep the PS4 at $400 with both 8GB of GDDR5 RAM & the PS Camera.

They knew it would have the 8 gigs of ram before they decided to cut the camera. They got rid of it so they could make sure they were cheaper, but if they really believed in it they would have found a way to include it.

Ps4 fans say they were given a choice to buy or not buy the camera. But in reality your paying extra money for functionality you may never get.

 

[winb83]

You keep saying most people don't want it and that's entirely untrue. Most people do want it. The so called hardcore gamer likes to rage against almost anything. But the rest of the general public, the majority of people who will be buying the games/consoles see the kinect as a plus

I think when the systems drop you'll be proven wrong. so far its been pretty clear the Playstation 4 is going to outsell the Xbox One and i expect that to continue.

would most people take Kinect for free? yeah do they wanna pay a $100 premium to own it. probably not. its going to cost them sales.

They knew it would have the 8 gigs of ram before they decided to cut the camera. They got rid of it so they could make sure they were cheaper, but if they really believed in it they would have found a way to include it.

Ps4 fans say they were given a choice to buy or not buy the camera. But in reality your paying extra money for functionality you may never get.

nobody is really weeping over the functionality that camera would have provided. as far as i'm concerned they should have just scrapped the whole thing.

 

[Rekkapryde]

The original Eyetoy on the PS2 could do simple voice & gesture commands for certain titles. Of course the PS4 Camera is designed for motion controls. The two 720p/60fps cameras lens (while the Kinect 1 only had a 480i/30fps lenses) can be used together for 3D depth-sensing, it has 4 microphones (for voice commands & noise cancellation), Kinect-style body tracking, Face Recognition, & etc.

It feels like you just assumed the PS Camera was a regular-ass webcam & never bothered reading up on it. Here some links:

CVG Blog: Eye spy: Has Sony found its answer to Kinect? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

PS4 Eye promises to unlock your PlayStation at a glance, tips hat to Kinect

PS4 Eye has two cameras: One to watch you, one to make you pretty | Joystiq

PlayStation 4 Eye: Applications of PS4's twin cameras - Destructoid

Yup. nikkaz love talking out their ass

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[MeachTheMonster]

I think when the systems drop you'll be proven wrong. so far its been pretty clear the Playstation 4 is going to outsell the Xbox One and i expect that to continue.

would most people take Kinect for free? yeah do they wanna pay a $100 premium to own it. probably not. its going to cost them sales.

People went out and payed $150 for the last kinect. Xbox One will sell out at launch and the price will probably drop for Christmas 2014. The U.S. and U.K. will remain Xbox territory.

nobody is really weeping over the functionality that camera would have provided. as far as i'm concerned they should have just scrapped the whole thing.

I agree. They should have scrapped it from the start, then the system/controllers could cost even less. But when the systems drop and people start to see the functionality they are missing out on they will wish Sony had gone full fledged with the idea.