Mike Tirico on his :mjpls: again

[mag357]

Kap has 2 white parents and doesnt have this problem. Tons of half white people identity with black just fine.

But hey, I'll concede your point.

Yes... and i totally understand. Even tho im still debating people on the origin of Kaep's seemingly new found super blackness and activism.
But yes, there are people like that. but we shouldn't hold it against somebody not like that. Thats what keeping it real is... Being who you really are.
But yea, thanx for the convo brother...

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Apparently, tirico was raised by his mother and only knew her side of the family, who are all Italian "white people"... so he has brown skin. is he really a black person? should he feel comfortable calling himself an African American?.... even if you say "yes, he should".. that doesnt mean that him, Mike Tirico, who's life we are discussing right now.... does feel comfortable doing that... And we cant have any understanding for that? None?

More and more, its not about him "being comfortable calling himself an African-American."

I think its more about why should anybody be concerned about him NOT calling himself an African-American?

Why is there a necessity for a guy who's biological mother is Italian, his last name is Tirico, and his Italian grandfather took him to
Mets games, to call himself "black"? Same thing with Tiger Woods with his Thai mother.

Tirico and Tiger. Two guys with non-black mothers, who grew up away from black people and are now multimillionaires
with non-black children.

What does it say about our own need for them to claim "blackness"? Where does that need in 2017 come from?

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

I highly doubt Mike hasnt faced racism in his life. He knows he's black.

I've been asking on this board for some time for us to come up with a concrete
definition of "blackness," in the age of Paris Jackson and Halsey.

This is as close as I've seen.

Is blackness today defined by being someone who has faced racism?

 

[10bandz]

More and more, its not about him "being comfortable calling himself an African-American."

I think its more about why should anybody be concerned about him NOT calling himself an African-American?

Why is there a necessity for a guy who's biological mother is Italian, his last name is Tirico, and his Italian grandfather took him to
Mets games, to call himself "black"? Same thing with Tiger Woods with his Thai mother.

Tirico and Tiger. Two guys with non-black mothers, who grew up away from black people and are now multimillionaires
with non-black children.

What does it say about our own need for them to claim "blackness"? Where does that need in 2017 come from?

because people wanna see successful black men

Mike tirico is successful in his field....very successful....just got the prime time olympics role. It'd be nice if it was a proud black man advancing like this. From y'all perspective i can see why you'd think its not a big deal....its probably not

 

[10bandz]

I've been asking on this board for some time for us to come up with a concrete
definition of "blackness," in the age of Paris Jackson and Halsey.

This is as close as I've seen.

Is blackness today defined by being someone who has faced racism?

well facing racism has been part of being black in America right?

i mean what are asking what blackness is defined as....if you're black you're fukking black. I dont look at it as someone has more blackness than the other. Mike Tirico can fukked over just like any other black man.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

because people wanna see successful black men

Mike tirico is successful in his field....very successful....just got the prime time olympics role. It'd be nice if it was a proud black man advancing like this. From y'all perspective i can see why you'd think its not a big deal....its probably not

But can we allow the possibility that his unique success in broadcasting might be somewhat attributed to his Italian heritage?

In NYC, we have had Mike Francesa, Chris Russo, Michael Kay, Mike Lupica, Don LaGreca, Sal Marchiano. A long line
of successful Italian-American sports broadcasters.

So from my perspective, as a black man with two identifiable black parents of southern heritage, why should I take pride
in Mike Tirico?

I didn't have Stuart Scott, Art Rust Jr, Bomani, James Brown, John Saunders, Bryant Gumbel, Bill Daughtry, Greg Gumbel, Dave Sims and the hated
Stephen A. Smith to help do that?

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

well facing racism has been part of being black in America right?

i mean what are asking what blackness is defined as....if you're black you're fukking black. I dont look at it as someone has more blackness than the other. Mike Tirico can fukked over just like any other black man.

You said "part of being black in America." What are the other parts these days of being black?

I ask because I think the "woke" millennial generation is less sure about what black actually means than
a 1950s Negro resident of Mississippi was.

And in the 1960s, the black cultural and consciousness movements focused on the positives of African heritage
(clothing, hair, language, customs, names). It wasn't just about negative experiences and oppression.

Paris Jackson claims black today. Is she? Rachel Dolezal claims black. Is she? Shaun King claims black. Is he?

 

[mag357]

More and more, its not about him "being comfortable calling himself an African-American."

I think its more about why should anybody be concerned about him NOT calling himself an African-American?

Why is there a necessity for a guy who's biological mother is Italian, his last name is Tirico, and his Italian grandfather took him to
Mets games, to call himself "black"? Same thing with Tiger Woods with his Thai mother.

Tirico and Tiger. Two guys with non-black mothers, who grew up away from black people and are now multimillionaires
with non-black children.

What does it say about our own need for them to claim "blackness"? Where does that need in 2017 come from?

I like when someone comes along and articulates my point wayyy better lol

 

[mag357]

I can't front... I also would like to see 1 of our people be successful, but also a proud black man. The problem im seeing is alot of fakeness as well.
I had a lengthy discussion on this site recently with another poster about some blacks hopping on this wave of "black activism" but really to sell records, products, or just being Overrall disingenuous for cool points. That shyt is detrimental to the real movement and fight, because since these ppl don't actually have the true passion...or the true passion, coupled with knowledge and understanding. they are not equipped properly to fight.
So to ppl like mike tirico, tiger, fukking OJ. do what u do... And be proud of whoever u are...
We already have good black ppl, who are not in the lime light, who can hold this down

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

I like when someone comes along and articulates my point wayyy better lol

You're being too kind. Its a good conversation all-around.

 

[NYC Rebel]

But can we allow the possibility that his unique success in broadcasting might be somewhat attributed to his Italian heritage?

In NYC, we have had Mike Francesa, Chris Russo, Michael Kay, Mike Lupica, Don LaGreca, Sal Marchiano. A long line
of successful Italian-American sports broadcasters.

So from my perspective, as a black man with two identifiable black parents of southern heritage, why should I take pride
in Mike Tirico?

I didn't have Stuart Scott, Art Rust Jr, Bomani, James Brown, John Saunders, Bryant Gumbel, Bill Daughtry, Greg Gumbel, Dave Sims and the hated
Stephen A. Smith to help do that?

Who is asking you to take pride in Tirico?

Point is, most of us don't have the "luxury" to live the delusion he's lived in for so long. 99% of his peers or most black beings walking in this country carry his obvious delusion. The man's skin is darker than my oldest son's who I have to now advise how to carry himself as he's no longer "cute" and is viewed as the enemy by LEO and others.

Like....excuse us for serif a man come to Tirico's point in life and don't see it as something weird

 

[mag357]

Who is asking you to take pride in Tirico?

Point is, most of us don't have the "luxury" to live the delusion he's lived in for so long. 99% of his peers or most black beings walking in this country carry his obvious delusion. The man's skin is darker than my oldest son's who I have to now advise how to carry himself as he's no longer "cute" and is viewed as the enemy by LEO and others.

Like....excuse us for serif a man come to Tirico's point in life and don't see it as something weird

Hold up... i like to get to the foundation of a discussion.
Are we talking about the color of his skin making him a "black" person? Cause there are brown skin Italians and brown skinned latinos.
He is a man... and like a point that another poster made, he's probly faced some kind of racism for his skin color. so what luxury do u mean? because just like u, others who dnt really know him, classify him as a "black person".... and its kind of fukked up to be labeled some shyt that u probly really arent, and if u try to correct people on their classification of you... You get called a self hating c00n. lol
Hes a man...

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Who is asking you to take pride in Tirico?

Point is, most of us don't have the "luxury" to live the delusion he's lived in for so long. 99% of his peers or most black beings walking in this country carry his obvious delusion. The man's skin is darker than my oldest son's who I have to now advise how to carry himself as he's no longer "cute" and is viewed as the enemy by LEO and others.

Like....excuse us for serif a man come to Tirico's point in life and don't see it as something weird

So he's lived the "delusion" of full Italian heritage as conveyed to him by the maternal side of his family? That delusion has brought him many comforts.

What does his life and personal notion of identity have to do with you educating your son about navigating dangerous law enforcement interactions? I don't get it.

 

[Gus Money]

There's too much going on in here. This is a thread for the ages

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Are we talking about the color of his skin making him a "black" person? Cause there are brown skin Italians and brown skinned latinos.

More than likely, he doesn't know who his biological father his, despite his family's representations.

To your point, let's say his mother had an affair with the former baseball player Manny Mota who is from Dominican Republic. Mama Tirico found Manny irresistible while watching him against the Mets at Shea Stadium in 1965 (Little Mike T. was born in 1966).

So if in fact, we learned that Mike Tirico's biological father is actually Dominican, making him Italian and Latino,
would we still be so insistent that he claim his blackness? Probably not.