Mike Tyson "20 Years Ago 90% Rappers Were Legit Tough Guys"

[FreshABM]

this dude bill simmons is soo fuccing corny

 

[SunZoo]

Mad?

Niqqa, fukk I got to be mad about?

I actually like Pac as a rapper. But I'm just keeping it real. He's wasn't a real tough guy. He wasn't about that life. And it caught up to him in them end tryna play that part while messing with REAL tough guys and real g's.

I mean homie went from this

To this

There's only so long fake thugs can pretend

meanwhile, he got into more scraps and more legal trouble with DU and solo than he did on death row, i don't know how dancing on a stage to get your foot in the door with a popular rap group makes you any less of a live wire

 

[hex]

meanwhile, he got into more scraps and more legal trouble with DU and solo than he did on death row, i don't know how dancing on a stage to get your foot in the door with a popular rap group makes you any less of a live wire

One of these men got caught moving $1.4 mill in coke. One is an ex-CO.

Like I said earlier in the thread, people are obsessed with appearances. As long as you "look the part", that's all that matters.

Fred.

 

[keon]

no offense but you sound like a vh1 special.

50 has been since he dropped that massacre weed-plate. he continued selling for a few more years off of his name, commercial momentum and his machine. lets not act like he was a flag-bearer for hardcore rap music in 2007. and lets not act like kanye outsold a prime 50.

lol yo name sound like sum type of hiphop spoof but im the vh1 special?

50 was basically the last of the "superstar gangsta" type of rappers, after him, it was all about trap music or sum soft shyt..there was no flag bearer for hardcore/gangsta rap after 50.

kanye was never the "in thing". the streets never got behind him, so how could he be the "in thing" in hip-hop? and lets not act like the streets were behind 50 cent in 2007 either. their whole sales battle was nothing but a promotional tool. a great idea and it worked, but thats all it was. it wasnt not great moment in rap history. hell no.

the last NEW street artist that sold a lot & had the streets behind him besides 50 was jeezy, and for him that started in 05, ever since then, the streets haven't been a factor sales wise..plus all the rappers who the streets listen to fukked wit kanye, so how wasn't he the "in thing" in hiphop?

and there was no transition. all those fairy rappers were placed in their positions. they didnt work their way up legitimately. i rarely ever hear any of their album cuts when i step foot out the house. if i hear their music being played, its almost always a single(most likely the radio) being played out of someones car.


thats something thats lost with alot of young cats. they sit back and allow "trends" to be dictated to them. they never witnessed a true transitional phase.

how can you say it was no transition when there's clearly a difference between the rap scene from the early 2000's up to today?

and regardless of how it happened,legitimately or not, it happened.

 

[jilla82]

Sounds like your standard fairly ridiculous obvious middle age back in the day revisionism that we all know to be false

no it actually makes sense.
Back then hip hop was pretty much an urban/black thing.
Now, its world wide.

Most of the rappers are really middle class kids.
Im not knocking it, just saying how it is.

 

[SunZoo]

One of these men got caught moving $1.4 mill in coke. One is an ex-CO.

Like I said earlier in the thread, people are obsessed with appearances. As long as you "look the part", that's all that matters.

Fred.

funny shyt is, forte ain't look THAT much different from that picture when he actually got caught, nikka running round looking like the vampires from the matrix, getting it in.

biggest boss that you've seen this far

 

[Wild self]

Yep exactly..

It's not just rap.. It's society as a whole..Every generation gets progressively more soft...The generations before us were callused to a level that we can't even comprehend..

There are blatant examples everywhere to show that this era is more p*ssy.. Women fighting on the front line, homos in the military, the NFL turning into a flag football league,the concept of hate crimes, the national campaign against bullying etc..etc...

Times Square used to look like a 3rd world country now it's Disney Land (except you can't even buy a large soda)

Everything around it is trending more towards soft...

To argue against the reality is just arrogant and ignorant...

Men from previous generations (before the crack epidemic) used to fight in actual wars overseas and experienced hardships such as lack of food, housing, and security. Of course men back then were emotionally empty and traumatized. On top of social injustices. Even in the drug game back in the 90s, you had guys that sensationalized bullshyt that is already happening, which made a lot of mentally lost dudes into thinking that the gang/ rap shyt is the way to go. Now, with no real causes left to fight for and no openly oppressive laws, people are content, despite shyt going on that is slowly taking away their basic rights.

 

[Still Benefited]

well..Beans is a real nikka...he just got caught slippin...I don't even fault nikkas for that...if u a real nikka in the streets than L's are a part of the territory...but thing I found funny bout that situation was that when Mike Knox was poppin mad shyt on camera about him knockin Beans out n all that...he called Beans up on camera on speaker and Beans was like "Really Knox?..U knocked my out?" and it even got to the point where Knox even took it off speaker phone and just ended up havin a convo wit the nikka...while gigglin for the camera...that shyt let me know that the situation was exaggerated in some kind of way...cause Knox kinda fell back wit all that talk when he actually spoke to Beans...

[ame=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJCBRnoY8k]Mike Knox Interview With The Breakfast Club Power 105.1 - YouTube[/ame]

Mike Knox said they had a fight in sum club and them nikkas tore the whole damn club apartso it wuznt no Mike Knox just brutalizing Beans like what wuz first said back when it first happened.


Rappers than and rappers now all align theyself with real street nikkas,so many of these nikkas got a street nikka that either invested in starting they careers,or nikkas who came in after the fact to try to offer an alliance for image purposes,protection and just nikkas they came up with who wanna look good and useful for they meal ticket....ya favorite rapper got contacts on his simcard right now he shouldn't have and be hangin out with nikkas in they crew who are high risk to take anywhere


I don't think nikkas done got no better in that regards at all....rappers doin the same thing rappers wuz doin back in the day far as PLAYIN nice with the real gangsters bcuz they wuz the real gangsters.....not doin that can get you where it got Pac,y'all got a lot of nerve bringin up Pac like ya favorite rapper wuznt doin the same shyt he wuz accept they fell in line and played they position and Pac challenged the real gangster just on a we both men level,yet pac the fake on foh.

Rappers who don't appeal to the streets don't have to deal with the street element to where they have to prove they tough guys as much,if Kendrick Lamar had the same fanbase Pac had or even Lil Bossie got now its a good chance sum knuckleheads would be testin his azz sizin him up.....those that do appeal to it have had to prove whether they "tough" or not and I wouldn't say its no glaring difference from now as it wuz back then....sum have shown they not all that tuff and sum have shown they not punks same as back then....all these new nikkas really did wuz take advantage of a lane opened by Kanye where its very lucrative to appeal to the "other" crowd where gangsta rap is not the biggest draw....so I ain't givin these nikkas credit for "bein theyselves" when they probaly be talkin that super gangsta shyt if that's what wuz poppin right now....they all get credit for realizin 90% of them do have real gangsters,big money nikkas,reckless nigggas in they crews and starting "rap beef" can turn real extra quick when them crews collide....and you will be forced to prove you a tough guy or a punk,end up gettin killed or shot at,end up with lawsuits all behind what other nikkas did.


So yes well never know if these new nikkas is just as tough as the last generation...personally I assume they are overall...many are and many ain't just like back then.....but the new music is so soft and not directed towards the streets they'll never attract the element they need to avoid so that they never have to prove it either way

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Violent crime rates are nothing today compared to what they were in the 70's, 80's and 90's, so yeah. For all the talk about how wild Chicago is, they had 506 murders last year. In the 70's, 80's, and 90's they had murders in the 800 and 900s consistently and there were less people then. shyt was more violent everywhere back in the days. A lot of cities had double or triple the murder rates they have now in the 80's and 90's. Imagine if worldstarhiphop and cell phone cameras were around in 87.

 

[SunZoo]

Men from previous generations (before the crack epidemic) used to fight in actual wars overseas and experienced hardships such as lack of food, housing, and security. Of course men back then were emotionally empty and traumatized. On top of social injustices. Even in the drug game back in the 90s, you had guys that sensationalized bullshyt that is already happening, which made a lot of mentally lost dudes into thinking that the gang/ rap shyt is the way to go. Now, with no real causes left to fight for and no openly oppressive laws, people are content, despite shyt going on that is slowly taking away their basic rights.

it's cameras every fukkin where now, crimes are a HELL of a lot harder to pull off, combine that with what you saying about no real inherit struggle and you got what you have...a bunch of young dumb nikkas looking for excuses to maintain what has been laid before them as the path to whatever fukked up concept of manhood they have.

the struggle is now an internal one.

 

[BIGDENNIS10UK]

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[spliz]

it's cameras every fukkin where now, crimes are a HELL of a lot harder to pull off, combine that with what you saying about no real inherit struggle and you got what you have...a bunch of young dumb nikkas looking for excuses to maintain what has been laid before them as the path to whatever fukked up concept of manhood they have.

the struggle is now an internal one.

In a nutshell...

 

[Wild self]

The quote is true, but you gotta understand that Black America was in a much darker place then. It shouldnt be looked upon with nostalgia, despite the fact that the music was of high quality and a lot grittier and "real"

The late 80s/early 90s was the height of the crack epidemic, and the streets in NY and L.A were virtual war zones. The record industry had no choice but to reflect that. NY, which was the center of hip hop at the time, was averaging over 2000 murders a year. L.A was outta control too. People are losing their mind over the violence in the Chi, and they average over 400 murders a year currently speaking. That should put things in perspective.

The change in Hip hop reflects the growth of black america. Some good, some not so good. We're all not hood niqqas no mo, and Im glad the violent aspect of rap has been pushed to the margins.

A lot of nikkas don't understand that shyt at all. They hate the way that black folk is expanding outside the hood and thinking for themselves, instead of some block that doesn't give a fukk about them or repping a place that they don't own legally.

 

[Wild self]

it's cameras every fukkin where now, crimes are a HELL of a lot harder to pull off, combine that with what you saying about no real inherit struggle and you got what you have...a bunch of young dumb nikkas looking for excuses to maintain what has been laid before them as the path to whatever fukked up concept of manhood they have.

the struggle is now an internal one.

Yeah, and the crazy thing is that these 90s babies have no idea how good they have it. They can go to school and not be accused of being "white" if they do not engage in stereotypical behavior. They can listen to other forms of music and do other hobbies outside of b-ball/ football and have other black friends that are in it. The "nerd" actually has a chance in social settings. The 90s, sheiiiiiiittttttt, you had to cover all that up and play that game called "keeping it real" with the face on. There ain't no real "gangsta" form anymore, just ratchet ignorance or living like their favorite party rapper.

 

[SunZoo]

A lot of nikkas don't understand that shyt at all. They hate the way that black folk is expanding outside the hood and thinking for themselves, instead of some block that doesn't give a fukk about them or repping a place that they don't own legally.

this is a little deep for this thread but this is why i said the struggle is internal, i told one of these cats about a week ago, how in the world can you expect the "real black music" of the 60's and 70's to come back when the social climate is so different?

the identity/ego structure of the "black american" is based around survival, being survivors ect....you can't survive unless you've been a victim. it's all we have really had by the way of our own culture, so even as society changes we gonna have people holding on to what means "blackness" to them.

we can no longer wade in that shyt, it's impossible to ask black people to move in unison, everybody has different ideals, the only way to break out of that loop is to encourage individuality.