Minnesota Professor Fired For Showing Students Paintings Of Muhammad In Lecture

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Casual stupidity. Stop tryna test other people's faith. I don't fukk with religion but that doesn't mean I'm going to go in front of believers and mock their beliefs. She had to know the way this would play out and still did it.
Muslims are too fukking sensitive. They should not be included in anything.
This is an Islamic studies course. She went there knowing her lesson would offend their beliefs. Try again.
You don’t think it’s ok to just ask and give a generic warning before sensitive/offensive material to the class in general before each lesson?

Singling out Muslims and being extra careful for them alone would be also a problem.

History is full of bad things and stuff people don’t know about until they learn it. Most who know still would rather not talk about or see until it’s right in front of them.

And religion is a big part of that history so in order to teach history I think you gotta ask students to leave their religious beliefs at the door.

Just like during the class on Christianity/Jesus the teacher had to be super careful not to offend in a majority NON Christian audience (I think most college age Americans are atheists) but still covered everything

Students could walk out of the room if they get made or debate after class with the professor on the topic but you can’t actually stop class and dictate the lesson or tell the teacher what he can’t do in a class you pay to attend..... you’re just kinda in for the ride. :hubie:
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This is the danger people have with not understanding each other today. They were beheading people in France not long ago for such insolence. It's not about what we think of it. There really isn't a reason to go there just to say they are sensitive. For a long time blasphemy was a big deal in western society as well. No need for the could woulda shyt. She knew she would offend any devout Muslims in an Islamic class and did it b it's not on the students it's on her.

Don't try to rationalize this shyt for the sake of education. It's not purely a history course at all it's a religious course as well. Which will appeal to. Believers. To test their boundaries merely to say that they should be open to exploration is to fail to even understand the topic in the first place. Teaching a class on a religion who you can't respect seems absurd.
 
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I understand both sides but she gave them an opportunity to opt out if they wanted to and they still opted to look anyway. They was looking for something to get mad at. Also not everyone in Islamic culture follow the same rules, some middle eastern countries still paint Muhammad showing his face
 
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This is America, not the Middle East. She was teaching a course on Islamic art and history and gave students adequate warning to leave and had a disclaimer. Academic freedom trumps the butthurt feelings of people so sensitive they are moved to violence over images. They violated the 1st amendment because some Muslims wanted to feel victimized. But you can openly disrespect or lampoon any other religion in America, but we have to privilege the feelings of sand cacs, lest they threaten violence. Muslims can either live in a modern country, or they are free to remain in the Middle East where they can impose their backwards ideals without any controversy.
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Casual stupidity. Stop tryna test other people's faith. I don't fukk with religion but that doesn't mean I'm going to go in front of believers and mock their beliefs. She had to know the way this would play out and still did it.

This is an Islamic studies course. She went there knowing her lesson would offend their beliefs. Try again.

No

This is the danger people have with not understanding each other today. They were beheading people in France not long ago for such insolence. It's not about what we think of it. There really isn't a reason to go there just to say they are sensitive. For a long time blasphemy was a big deal in western society as well. No need for the could woulda shyt. She knew she would offend any devout Muslims in an Islamic class and did it b it's not on the students it's on her.

Don't try to rationalize this shyt for the sake of education. It's not purely a history course at all it's a religious course as well. Which will appeal to. Believers. To test their boundaries merely to say that they should be open to exploration is to fail to even understand the topic in the first place. Teaching a class on a religion who you can't respect seems absurd.

1. It’s 2023 you can’t compare now to the old Times in other parts of the world and like someone else said, this is America and culturally we aren’t in 7-8th century Middle East

2. How is it blasphemy (in the eyes of the lecturer) knowing Muhammad isn’t considered a God in Islam..... or is he?

Nobody keeps that same energy with the disrespecting of Jesus (who IS considered God by Christians) in what is a “Christian” country

3. And clearly there was a time when making images of Muhammad was allowed judging from the artwork and at some point extremists stopped that by violence (I wonder why) but do we still need to allow and condone these actions especially in USA and among non believers? Do we not have freedom of speech and our OWN religion?

So the question goes much deeper than just “can we teach about offense/sensitive content”

This issue is specific to Islam/Muhammad

Every other religion gets disrespected. In today’s society everyone can get smoke (except maybe LGBT) and nobody really cares.

Muhammad shouldn’t be the 1 exception in life to be above criticism or even something as insignificant as acknowledging what he looked like, especially considering he is a historical figure. If so why should he?
 
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1. It’s 2023 you can’t compare now to the old Times in other parts of the world and like someone else said, this is America and culturally we aren’t in 7-8th century Middle East

2. How is it blasphemy (in the eyes of the lecturer) knowing Muhammad isn’t considered a God in Islam..... or is he?

Nobody keeps that same energy with the disrespecting of Jesus (who IS considered God by Christians) in what is a “Christian” country

3. And clearly there was a time when making images of Muhammad was allowed judging from the artwork and at some point extremists stopped that by violence (I wonder why) but do if your awe still need to allow and condone these actions especially in USA and among non believers? Do we not have freedom of speech and our OWN religion?

So the question goes much deeper than just “can we teach about offense/sensitive content”

This issue is specific to Islam/Muhammad

Every other religion gets disrespected. In today’s society everyone can get smoke (except maybe LGBT) and nobody really cares.

Muhammad shouldn’t be the 1 exception in life to be above criticism or even something as insignificant as acknowledging what he looked like, especially considering he is a historical figure. If so why should he?
If you are asking those questions you wouldn't be qualified to lead that class. She knew what she was doing.
 
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this is the one and only time I will agree that an administration is going too far with what is being deemed "political correctness."

Even the national Muslim and Arab organizations are saying that they don't have an issue with the professor, he gave the students a warning, asked them in advance, and did what other professors have done.
 

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If you are asking those questions you wouldn't be qualified to lead that class. She knew what she was doing.

By showing them a depiction of Muhammad drawn by Muslims?
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The Quran doesn't forbid depictions of Muhammad. In fact, below is a Persian depiction of Muhammad:
Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg
 

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it seems unnecessary to have done it when you know you're going to offend people

corny bill maher/south park bro edgelord atheist shyt

Everything offends someone.

We gonna stop showing something just because it offends someone somewhere? If someone says dont show inages of the holocaust, it offends me, do we cancel those images? If a racist says dont show images of african civilizations, do we stop showing those images? If a christian says dont show images of a black jesus or an arab jesus, do we cancel black and arab jesus? etc etc.
 
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