Modern Rites of Passage for boys

[WIA20XX]

This is why I'm laboring here to make a clear distinction about what I'm addressing in my comments. Redshirting isn't meant to address the racism Black boys face in schools, that's a completely separate issue. I'm talking about specifically about developmental differences between boys (of all races) and girls (of all races) and how delaying boys' debut into kindergarten leads to BETTER outcomes for boys, it has the best outcomes for the most disadvantaged boys.

First in the Class? Age and the Education Production Function

Abstract. We estimate the effects of relative age in kindergarten using data from an experiment where children of the same age were randomly assigned to different kindergarten classmates. We exploit the resulting experimental variation in relative age in conjunction with variation in expected...

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If you insist on this, It works for girls too.

Does ‘redshirting’ actually benefit kids? Inside the big kindergarten readiness decision parents make.

The practice is most common among highly educated parents. But the research shows it often doesn't help kids academically in the long term.

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Politically, red shirting boys would only result in red shirting girls - and the education gap remains.

I cannot see a situation where a suburban mom isn't doing the same for little Caitlin that she did for Connor.
Or in the black suburban context, Keith and Keisha get the same.

The gap will persist, as if the gap itself is important.

Focusing on a random technocratic solution is what people like Reeves do.

It's why he includes Black and Latino subjects to assist in his claim that all boys are doing bad (very much the flat blackness that Black pols and academics use to take black male stats to bolster Black female opportunity), but then distances himself from explaining why Black and Latino boys do so much worse.

I honestly don't know why you want to die on this hill, when the conversation is someplace else entirely.

 

[mag357]

It's just like formal education. We, outsiders, can't fix the parents, we can only fix the schools.

With an idea like a rites of passage, we can't do anything about fathers that ran out.

We have to deal with the situation as it is, not the one we wish we had.

Gotcha but without the fathers or consistent positive male guidance, rights of passage are pointless.

A right of passage is like the final quiz after being groomed, taught, and tutored.
It's a test to see where your heart and mind is at.

I get what you mean tho... saying "formal education". basically the formal education a father would give his son.
So since there is no fathers smh
We need a thread how can us good brothers take young dudes under our wing and help them become good brothers too.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

In today's socio-political climate, you can't have a 'Rite of Passage' EXCLUSIVELY for boys.

Hell, you can't even call them 'boys' without someone getting a bug up their ass.​

 

[Neuromancer]

Gotcha but without the fathers or consistent positive male guidance, rights of passage are pointless.

That's true we'd have to get consent from the parents who are taking care of the kids. Mother's I would assume. But that would also have to allow for correction. Do you think that would be allowed?

 

[Neuromancer]

In today's socio-political climate, you can't have a 'Rite of Passage' EXCLUSIVELY for boys.

Hell, you can't even call them 'boys' without someone getting a bug up their ass.​

Why do you think this is?

Do y'all agree with this? @High Art @Matt504 @mag357 @OfTheCross @Wild self @skyrunner1

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Why do you think this is?

Two words: Alphabet Mafia.​

 

[Waldo Geraldo Faldo]

I grew up with my father, grandfather, uncles and two older brothers in my life.

I didn’t go through a rites of passage so to speak but there were a few things I did by the time I was 18, that they directly influenced.

Painting the garage
Laid concrete in the driveway
Painted my room
Regularly cut and trimmed the grass with a riding tractor
Re-shingled the roof
Changed a tire
Fix bikes and lawnmowers
Laid carpet/tile
Tilled a garden and planted seeds


Just some of the things I could recollect on that I felt was vital towards my development and maturity.

 

[Matt504]

And again, you're trying to blame a recent trend that was not an issue before on a biological issue that must have existed for decades to centuries instead of the more likely issue of a more recent change in education, society, or the home. You're essentially using a correlation to imply causation and pushing a drastic change in how boys are raised and educated based on this correlation. Unless the biological changes are recent (in which case we should be asking why and how), your proposal makes no sense at all.

I'm not blaming this recent trend on biology, neither is the author of the book I mentioned, in fact, he'd point to Title IX as the catalyst of what ultimately got us to this point, it's almost like addressing gender based discrimination creates a more level playing field which is the thing we'd expect if race based discrimination was addressed.

In 1972, when Title IX was passed (protecting people from gender discrimination in education programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance), men were about 13 percentage points more likely to be getting a four-year college degree. Today, women are about 15 percentage points more likely to get a four-year college degree. So the gender gap in higher education is bigger today than when Title IX was passed—just the other way around.

The point of redshirting is to help course correct by taking advantage of developmental differences between boys and girls, starting boys one school year after girls of the same age, but I digress.

 

[Matt504]

Why do you think this is?

Do y'all agree with this? @High Art @Matt504 @mag357 @OfTheCross @Wild self @skyrunner1

I don't agree but I believe girls would benefit from a similar system.

 

[mag357]

That's true we'd have to get consent from the parents who are taking care of the kids. Mother's I would assume. But that would also have to allow for correction. Do you think that would be allowed?

Brother... These are the hard hitting questions that need answers.
And I ain't smart enough to have them answers.
I ain't got no kids my damn self, so I don't know shyt lol

But all jokes aside.
In reality, a lot of single mothers are trying their best and have alot on their plate, which forces them to do either bare minimum or slightly Above.

And a lot of mothers don't give a fukk.
So it would be up to the brothers in the community to maybe start some sort of relationship with the school system. And with the community, so we can help (force) these mothers to let us help.

And being able to correct these young men can be something discussed with the parent, but would basically be understood as just part of the program.

 

[WIA20XX]

Gotcha but without the fathers or consistent positive male guidance, rights of passage are pointless.

I'm not sure about that.

A right of passage is like the final quiz after being groomed, taught, and tutored.
It's a test to see where your heart and mind is at.

It depends on the rite. A Bar Mitzvah is almost academic it seems.

With some of the various peoples in Africa, it seems to be more "skill" based.

But the test aspect is only part of it, so the skills aspect is only a small part of it as well.

It's about taking on a man's responsibility, WITHIN THE GROUP.

And this just gets back to what you and others are saying about the fathers/family structure.

I can easily envision an afterschool program, with any number of life/survival/manly skills. That's the route a lot of people into this idea take.
And before long, girls get included, I digress...

If it's just skill acquisition, it's just a school. And getting a diploma is a "rite of passage", but not the same way that being embraced by a brotherhood of men that literally protect the community.

I don't think the people in this discussion are making the distinction, nor do they even really care.

I get what you mean tho... saying "formal education". basically the formal education a father would give his son.
So since there is no fathers smh
We need a thread how can us good brothers take young dudes under our wing and help them become good brothers too.

IMO, It's not father to son, it's the village to the warrior.

Even with that distinction, our community does not even have a village.

 

[TEH]

Add baptism and confirmation (both at around 12 / 13 depending on the church)for the boys who go to church. A lot of them do.

 

[mag357]

In today's socio-political climate, you can't have a 'Rite of Passage' EXCLUSIVELY for boys.

Hell, you can't even call them 'boys' without someone getting a bug up their ass.​

Why do you think this is?

Do y'all agree with this? @High Art @Matt504 @mag357 @OfTheCross @Wild self @skyrunner1

I have conversations with men all the time and this is the thing they say all the time.

"Society doesn't let this happen now"
"Society is different now, you can't do this"

I give them the disgusted face. Lol
Bro, who gives a fukk what this goofy as society likes or dislikes.

We gotta do what's good for us.

 

[High Art]

Why do you think this is?

Do y'all agree with this? @High Art @Matt504 @mag357 @OfTheCross @Wild self @skyrunner1

Yeah, realistically, to call it that instead of it being something merely tacitly understood, it wouldn't work well outside of operating as an "At-risk" group. Even more, throwing race into the mix further complicates the issue. It would be something done privately instead of institutionally.

I'm not blaming this recent trend on biology, neither is the author of the book I mentioned, in fact, he'd point to Title IX as the catalyst of what ultimately got us to this point, it's almost like addressing gender based discrimination creates a more level playing field which is the thing we'd expect if race based discrimination was addressed.



The point of redshirting is to help course correct by taking advantage of developmental differences between boys and girls, starting boys one school year after girls of the same age, but I digress.

And if Title IX is to blame, how do we know it truly corrected and did not over-correct and did not create a bias in the other direction? And again, the issue of redshirting is that it is based entirely on correlational aspects. How does this account for the different types of learners (visual vs auditory), how does this account for socioeconomic factors since if you're going to use a correlation as a basis then you have to take into account that combined parent income correlates to better educational success, how do you account for the results of black boys in these studies when the issue of racism in itself has not been addressed within the educational system further marring the data in itself? I'm barely touching on the socio-political issues that would arise from trying to implement a system like this as well.

I feel like I need to literally make a thread on how to properly read and utilize studies and data because a lot of y'all are doing it wrong. Many studies measure only a minute aspect of things instead of the totality yet I keep seeing people ignoring this.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

We gotta do what's good for us.

Then promote marriage and 2-parent homes.

We've known this is the primary cause of our current circumstances for 70 YEARS!!!!

Anything other than that is a band-aid over a severed limb.​