Modern Rites of Passage for boys

[mag357]

I'm not sure about that.



It depends on the rite. A Bar Mitzvah is almost academic it seems.

With some of the various peoples in Africa, it seems to be more "skill" based.

But the test aspect is only part of it, so the skills aspect is only a small part of it as well.

It's about taking on a man's responsibility, WITHIN THE GROUP.

And this just gets back to what you and others are saying about the fathers/family structure.

I can easily envision an afterschool program, with any number of life/survival/manly skills. That's the route a lot of people into this idea take.
And before long, girls get included, I digress...

If it's just skill acquisition, it's just a school. And getting a diploma is a "rite of passage", but not the same way that being embraced by a brotherhood of men that literally protect the community.

I don't think the people in this discussion are making the distinction, nor do they even really care.



IMO, It's not father to son, it's the village to the warrior.

Even with that distinction, our community does not even have a village.

Cart before the horse type of thing brother.

There's no village without 1 warrior first.
There's no community, without fathers, to marry women, make children.

Brother, we are basically starting from scratch.
Get dudes to be fathers instead of nikkaz just busting nuts.
Then those fathers take care of their own households first.
The collection of households that are in good shape, with standards and culture... Create a community.
The community will start to have its own GROUP mentality and culture.

Now any household that is different than all the other households and doesn't share the same standard and culture. The community can identify and help.

But it all starts with the first Man or men

 

[mag357]

Then promote marriage and 2-parent homes.

We've known this is the primary cause of our current circumstances for 70 YEARS!!!!

Anything other than that is a band-aid over a severed limb.​

I was actually gonna type that.
Just a bandaid on top of a severed head

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't agree but I believe girls would benefit from a similar system.

I think as @High Art said it can be done but privately. As you mentioned in another thread black people like to be too public with things that should be in house.

It would be something done privately instead of institutionally.

Of course. It should be more like a secret order as opposed to something that is posted on social media.

We gotta do what's good for us.

If not us then who?

 

[Neuromancer]

I think we also have to ask the question based on modern water cooler rhetoric. Does what we consider a man need to be changed? Is it biological or societal?

 

[High Art]

I think we also have to ask the question based on modern water cooler rhetoric. Does what we consider a man need to be changed? Is it biological or societal?

We should try and make boys be more self-sufficient and truly functioning adults and leaders. We should try and get them away from having a servitude mindset and take on an accomplishment mindset - eg. they are doing things because it is right rather than merely doing right by another person or group.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Appreciate this,

Glad to see you let him grow and develop and didn’t hold it against him.

For me, I’m the youngest by far so my older brothers took care of most things and my dad never taught me shyt so

That would have the opposite of my intended effect, plus, there's a lot I didn't know either. He did little shyt growing up, but its different now that the house is actually his. We grow together. On the subjects where I get too far ahead or its 'my' thing, I update him with the new info.

Like I said before, 'its a Bonnie and Clyde thing' *Martin voice*.

My big brother did everything too. I didn't learn anything about deep cleaning at all, or like, cleaning the whole bathroom, not just pieces. I still struggle with scheduling, like, how often should this obscure thing be cleaned? Google is my friend. I know its not the topic, but as an aside, please make sure your academically inclined daughters are still taught the domestic shyt. I was basically raised to have a maid. Which is crazy bc my grandmother was a maid.

 

[UpAndComing]

Teach them Capitalism, which is the main tools to acquire resources and it develops a focus to success

- Accounting
- Credit
- Finance
- Macro Economics

 

[Dave24]

@CopiousX I never went through any rites of passages

 

[CopiousX]

@CopiousX I never went through any rites of passages

Same, not in the classical sense . My household did kinda have a standard for you being an adult. But it was purposely set as unachievable. My folks were convinced you were still a child until you were married with kids.


You can obviously see why this didn't jive with a 20yr old version of myself and I had to bounce.


Back when I lived with them, i can't tell you how many arguements with my parents ended with me saying, "but I'm a grown adult!"



And them replying,


"Oh really, then show me your wife"

 

[Dave24]

Same, not in the classical sense . My household did kinda have a standard for you being an adult. But it was purposely set as unachievable. My folks were convinced you were still a child until you were married with kids.


You can obviously see why this didn't jive with a 20yr old version of myself and I had to bounce.


Back when I lived with them, i can't tell you how many arguements with my parents ended with me saying, "but I'm a grown adult!"



And them replying,


"Oh really, then show me your wife"

 

[Neuromancer]

Bump