More Impressive: Havocs production at 18 vs Nas writing Illmatic at 18

[nalej]

I couldn't write a good essay for school at 18 and Nas wrote one of the greatest hiphop albums ever that has stood the test of time. Love the og mobb deep stuff though.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

gave him a sense of rhythm and flow.

This has nothing to do with Nas lyrical/pen game

right

I think Rakim said something about this as well having grown up in a jazz background it somehow influenced the way he rhymed.

his flow not his actual way on understanding how to use the english language

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

This has nothing to do with Nas lyrical/pen game







his flow not his actual way on understanding how to use the english language

ah my bad maybe I mis-read lol

 

[Awesome Wells]

Nas.

Hav had a lot of help from Large Professor, Beatminerz and Q-Tip. Dude studied under the greats, and was able to do some classic work from that. But I still gotta go with Nas on this one.

 

[Lord Mecca]

gave him a sense of rhythm and flow.

I hate how dudes in here talking like they were there with Nas in spirit from his birth until now. You don't know what influenced dude, wah di ras is up with all of your mumbling.

Music is influential in all ways. If you think music can get somebody to start selling dope or kill somebody, you don't think it can't influence how someone thinks or writes or feels?

No. None of those things have anything to do with being articulate or even basic literacy. If that were the case, there would be many more articulate rappers; more Einstein's; more Nikolai Tesla's... but there isn't... because you can't be influenced to be smart or articulate. You can be influenced by a smart man/woman and work harder to become smarter or more articulate, but you can't just become smart or articulate.

Any old fool can be influenced by someone to perform an action (killing/selling drugs). It doesn't take skill to commit a crime, it takes skill to get away with one.

Plus, the way you're speaking on influence is two completely different ball games. We're in here talking about forms of expression. Killing/selling drugs by choice and being intelligent/articulate are not comparable forms of influence by any means... they don't come from the same place.

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

This has nothing to do with Nas lyrical/pen game







his flow not his actual way on understanding how to use the english language

So we gonna act like flow isn't an aspect of rap? Without a flow you can't rap. Again stop tryna move goal posts brej

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

No. None of those things have anything to do with being articulate or even basic literacy. If that were the case, there would be many more articulate rappers; more Einstein's; more Nikolai Tesla's... but there isn't... because you can't be influenced to be smart or articulate. You can be influenced by a smart man/woman and work harder to become smarter or more articulate, but you can't just become smart or articulate.

Any old fool can be influenced by someone to perform an action (killing/selling drugs). It doesn't take skill to commit a crime, it takes skill to get away with one.

Plus, the way you're speaking on influence is two completely different ball games. We're in here talking about forms of expression. Killing/selling drugs by choice and being intelligent/articulate are not comparable forms of influence by any means... they don't come from the same place.

Not true its due to your influences as well. Okay so you denounce lucky lefty and some of the dons because they got caught? That's stupid. Anybody can get caught when you deal with that many people. Frank Lucas got caught wtf you on about. Boston George got caught. I should put hands on you

 

[Lord Mecca]

Not true its due to your influences as well. Okay so you denounce lucky lefty and some of the dons because they got caught? That's stupid. Anybody can get caught when you deal with that many people. Frank Lucas got caught wtf you on about. Boston George got caught. I should put hands on you

I'm not denouncing anybody. I'm talking about the differences between being great in terms of linguistics in comparison to crime. Those guys were all great criminals - but they all went to jail or got in some type of shyt early in their lives which is what influenced them to become the greats they were. If they didn't get caught early, they wouldn't have been what they were. Once again, none of those things have to do with literacy or self expression as an art form, breh.

You can do the same crime over and over again, and be great.
You can't write the same poem over and over and be great.

Apples and oranges.

 

[phatphuck]

i prefer lyrics over beats so imma have to roll with gnaws

 

[10bandz]

its hard to choose but you can't fukk with Nas man. The shyt he was writing at such a young age is crazy.

Havoc is criminally underrated though. The fact it took 20 years to discover some of his samples is nuts. Hav was very advanced for his age

 

[Duppy]

Havoc for me; The beats on Infamous hold up against some of the best producers of all time. That's not to say that Nas wasn't great on Illmatic though

 

[King Ming]

But imagine a Nas & Havoc album both at 18!

 

[10bandz]

But imagine a Nas & Havoc album both at 18!

/thread

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Q-Tip helping Havoc tighten his shyt up on Infamous, listen to the demos and originals online some are on The Infamous 20th Anniversary Album.

Prodigy was actually the first one to get behind the sampler in the Juvenile Hell days and teach Havoc, Havoc used to ghostwrite for Prodigy before he ramped up.

I'll go with Nas, but Hav flipping the Shook Ones sample and Survival of the Fittest and making shyt like Trife Life is not to be underestimated even with help.

"Trife Life" is golden to da ears

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

you gave the best blowjobs at 18.