More Jobs Went To Immigrants Than Native-Born Americans Over Past 14 Years

[Kritic]

About 50 Seconds Into This Video, a Look of Pure Fear Comes Across These Armed Robbers’ Faces. They Were Right to Be Scared.


One of the worst robbery attempts in recent memory was captured on a Fresno, California, jewelry store’s surveillance camera.

After pretending to be customers at Marlene’s jewelry last Friday, one of the two suspects is seen on video pulling out a handgun and demanding cash and jewelry. Meanwhile, the second suspect is seen trying to jump the counter — though he fails miserably.

What they didn’t know is the store’s owner was in the back of the establishment with his daughter and her newborn child. They quickly learned how foolish it is to threaten the safety of not only a man’s daughter, but his grandchild as well.

The owner, Soledad Castaneda, heard his employee screaming that the store was being robbed. He jumped into action, retrieving his shotgun and rushing to confront the bumbling robbers.

You don’t see the shotgun in the surveillance video, but a clear look of shock and fear comes across the suspect’s faces at the exact moment the armed store owner emerges from the back.

The suspect who was unable to jump over the counter is seen dropping to the ground at the sight of the shotgun and heads for the door. The suspect holding the gun — lucky for him — ignored his partner, who allegedly told him to shoot the store owner, and also ran away.

Castaneda, told KFSN-TV that he’s angry the young criminals with no jobs put his family in danger to steal from the business they’ve worked hard to build.

Jose Llamas, the owner’s brother, told the news station that the two are “very lucky” that his brother didn’t shoot them. However, he said he can’t help but laugh at the unprepared thieves while watching the surveillance video now that the scary ordeal is behind them.

Police are currently searching for the suspects, who are believed to be as young as 17 years old.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...d-robbers-faces-they-were-right-to-be-scared/

 

[Kritic]

Any background information on what happened

not saying all spanish criminals are illegal


i just don make threads

 

[Serious]

That's crazy

not saying all spanish criminals are illegal


i just don make threads

that's crazy...

 

[kevm3]

Close the borders and those jobs for STEM will just end up leaving the country. STEM jobs pay well yet few non-immigrants or 1st generation Americans fulfill those roles. We give jobs to foreigners because they have the skills to fill them. Heck you have been here a few generations, there shouldn't be an excuse to passed over by some guy that doesn't have a network. All these jobs foreigner have, Americans just don't want to do them or have the capacity to do them.

They are already leaving the country. It's more like Americans also have the skills to fill those jobs, but they'll send them overseas in the name of profit maximization since they can hire foreigners in some nations for much cheaper. People are deluding themselves if they think "Americans don't want to do these jobs." The costs of everything in America, including college education is exploding, and yet wages have either remained flat or gone downward. Corporations are pretty much gutting this country to exploit cheap labor. People didnt' care and bought into the lie that they were just shifting those old world 'manufacturing jobs' and that we were shifting to a 'knowledge/services' economy. With the proliferation of the internet, companies will have no qualms about shipping many of these knowledge jobs away and making Americans compete with people all over the world who are willing to accept much less, which will be a huge deflationary force on wages.

 

[theworldismine13]

But the details in reasons give a more broader perspective:

i dont know what these mysterious details that only you seem to know are, but if these details lower wages and increase inequality then its a non starter

Low-skilled immigrants can't be consumers or taxpayers? They don't spend their earnings on the purchase of food, clothing, housing, cars, etc.?

i never said that they couldnt be taxpayers or consumers, i said before that immigration helps the economy by expanding the economy, but you used the word productivity, maybe you meant to use the word activity

productivity means how much you produce, low skilled immigrants by themselves do not increase productivity, low skilled workers have low productivity by definition, that is why they are called low skilled

What does that have to do with the tea in China? I'm talking about supporting both immigrants to fill jobs while ALSO supporting OTHER economic opportunities for native low skilled workers, especially African-Americans. I can support both, you're argument was "I have to either support this or that" when it comes to immigrants working jobs here and natives finding employment as well.

the point is you can say you support whatever you want but if you are advocating polcies that dont produce what you support then you arent saying anything

immigration hurts low skilled workers, the best way to support low skilled workers is to not flood the labor force with cheap labor

and you already exposed what you really think about low skilled workers that demand more money to do what immigrants do for cheap, so saying you support low skilled native workers is phony

It does displace SOME native workers but the statistics are relatively minuscule. Overall, you can't "displace" someone that will NOT do what someone else is willing to do.

and im saying the "SOME" that you are dismissing is a non starter for me

I will pay more wages for a certain task if I can afford to pay more and I find the increased pay worth it. Some industries and jobs can survive increasing wages to attract workers while others just can't.

yeah and?

that doesnt mean its a good idea to flood the labor market with cheap labor

Its only "competition" because native workers want more demands from the jobs that the immigrants will take (i.e. higher wages, better protection, etc.). Since the job will not provide these demands most native workers will avoid taking them. Immigrants will work these jobs with little to no complaints. That's not displacing.


Put it like this....if I had a competition where you and another person had to race for a prize for $100 but you felt the race wasn't WORTH winning only $100, but you would race if the prize was more money, while the the other person didn't mind racing to win the $100, has that "displaced" you from competing?

you can call it whatever you want, the point is that is not an argument to flood the market

i dont agree with you that that is acceptable, i dont think the solution is to flood the labor market, i believe the solution is to restrict immigration and the law of supply and demand will increase the wages of low skilled workers

by bringing cheap labor all you are doing is lowering wages for everybody and increasing inequality because the corporation makes more profit and both the native and immigrant make less wages

its basically a lie to try to portray immigration as some kind of win win, immigration is win lose, somebody will win and another person will lose

That's not true, there's much more evidence in other research to suggest its a lot more to it than that.

actually there isnt more than that, anything else is not important

Again, to reiterate, more native low skilled workers do not chase after the same jobs that immigrants go after due to the requirements of the jobs. That's not displacing.

you can use some weird definition of displacement, but the bottom line is that more immigrants means lower wages and increased inequality

 

[thekingsmen]

you said that rich white folk are making poor white folk think that immigration is bad

that is incorrect
they are actually pushing a pro immigration agenda to flood the labor market with cheap labor

Zuckerberg group: ‘Pressure is on’ for immigration reform
http://thehill.com/policy/technolog...re-is-on-for-immigration-reform#ixzz36NORM2nx

Rupert Murdoch pushes for immigration reform
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rupert-murdoch-pushes-for-immigration-reform/

Chamber of Commerce: 'We Will Not Let Up' on Amnesty Bill
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...f-Commerce-We-Will-Not-Let-Up-on-Amnesty-Bill

How one Koch-backed group is selling immigration reform to the tea party
https://news.yahoo.com/how-one-koch...ration-reform-to-the-tea-party-180449979.html

so you are wrong, rich white people are all for "immgration reform" andtrying to make immigration sound good

1. Zuckerberg just got rich in the last few years, he don't count. We talking about Old Rich money, not new money.

2. Murdoch isn't much of a Political Leader in the Dems or Repubs format other than control the airwaves on tv.

I have to give you some credit for the last two but doesn't change the fact of what was said by me originally. NATFA is still the problem and those who control right wing radio show more proof of Americans actions toward immigrants. This is about votes for both parties but in the end Rich White Elite are playing sides of the people just like they do in everything else just for votes. Look at Obama whose administration deported almost 2 million immigrants since he has been in office and then gets on the stage speaks about "Immigrants new life in America".

 

[NvrCMyNut]

When I was 17 I went for an interview to get a job as kitchen porter, I was the only american there, out of like 15 people, go figure. Americans don't want these jobs.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

In any shifting open economy there is always someone winning or losing. But I also remember showing you an article that outlined the increase in native born citizens finishing school and graduating for better career opportunities. There are even native born citizens that only qualify for unskilled labor jobs but still would rather work a less labor-intensive job that provides more pay and better benefits. When you look at the unemployment numbers its not JUST people that can't find work but a lot of the numbers include those that just will NOT work.

Actually, the people who aren't submitting applications are removed from the labor force.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Questions!

What jobs are these?
What were they pay from the immigrants native country? (Most likely less)

I currently work at a Prometric and foreigners aren't getting visas to wash your car. They're talking skilled labor. They worker doesn't have the power with a higher supply of workers. Simple economics. These cads should give these indians and asians the work like brothers back then took for nothing.

 

[theworldismine13]

When I was 17 I went for an interview to get a job as kitchen porter, I was the only american there, out of like 15 people, go figure. Americans don't want these jobs.

They don't want them cuz they don't pay enough and a restaraunt can continue paying low wages because there is an infinite supply of low skilled labor

Over the long run what you get is wage stagnation, increasing inequality and a more fragmented society

There is no such thing as a free lunch, there are social and economic consequences of creating an infinite supply of low wage workers

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

They are already leaving the country. It's more like Americans also have the skills to fill those jobs, but they'll send them overseas in the name of profit maximization since they can hire foreigners in some nations for much cheaper. People are deluding themselves if they think "Americans don't want to do these jobs." The costs of everything in America, including college education is exploding, and yet wages have either remained flat or gone downward. Corporations are pretty much gutting this country to exploit cheap labor. People didnt' care and bought into the lie that they were just shifting those old world 'manufacturing jobs' and that we were shifting to a 'knowledge/services' economy. With the proliferation of the internet, companies will have no qualms about shipping many of these knowledge jobs away and making Americans compete with people all over the world who are willing to accept much less, which will be a huge deflationary force on wages.

At the end of the day, the economy will reach an equilibrium because people have to pay for things and prices will adjust to the money that is circulating. Last thing these frail cacs want is a revolt. They get served food, have their homes worked on, drive cars, transport on planes, etc. They can be got.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

i dont know what these mysterious details that only you seem to know are, but if these details lower wages and increase inequality then its a non starter

The web of complex interactions among factory openings and closings, choice of production methods, ethnic networking in hiring, and labor subcontracting all play a roll in displacement. Again my argument was there are various reasons for displacement that happens to SOME native workers and that the issue is complex. But the impact is minuscule.

i never said that they couldnt be taxpayers or consumers, i said before that immigration helps the economy by expanding the economy, but you used the word productivity, maybe you meant to use the word activity

productivity means how much you produce, low skilled immigrants by themselves do not increase productivity, low skilled workers have low productivity by definition, that is why they are called low skilled.

Whatevs. In any event immigrant workers become consumers --> consumers create demand --> demand creates jobs (for natives) --> native employees become consumers. Rinse. Recycle. Repeat.

the point is you can say you support whatever you want but if you are advocating polcies that dont produce what you support then you arent saying anything

Since there is evidence that low-skilled immigrants have steadily influence natives to better their education to increase their opportunities and chances for career advancement to move up from low-skilled labor the policies I advocate play out as a win-win for both parties.

immigration hurts low skilled workers, the best way to support low skilled workers is to not flood the labor force with cheap labor

and removing immigrants from these low-skilled jobs hurts businesses. While SOME businesses may opt-in to increase wages to attract native workers MOST businesses will either shut down operations completely, rely on some form of technology to supplement laborers, or outsource the jobs if natives are not willing to work the jobs with the low pay and conditions required.

and you already exposed what you really think about low skilled workers that demand more money to do what immigrants do for cheap, so saying you support low skilled native workers is phony

Nope...not at all. Unlike you I accept and acknowledge most unskilled native workers do not chase after most of the jobs immigrants apply for here. So rather than let these jobs get outsourced or shut down I support letting those that are WILLING to work the jobs to help impact the economy and certain industries while other better advancement opportunities in careers for all unskilled native workers become available.

and im saying the "SOME" that you are dismissing is a non starter for me

And I'm emphasizing SOME to help you realize in an open capitalist economy there will always be at least SOME winners and SOME losers.

yeah and? that doesnt mean its a good idea to flood the labor market with cheap labor

If a demand of a job requires better skills from workers and the business can afford it they will increase wages instead of paying for cheap labor regardless of who takes it. If the business doesn't feel the labor is worth more they will go somewhere else that provides the cheap labor.

That's not showing lack of care for unskilled native workers

you can call it whatever you want, the point is that is not an argument to flood the market

What does it matter if natives are not pursuing the jobs en masse like immigrants do?

i dont agree with you that that is acceptable, i dont think the solution is to flood the labor market, i believe the solution is to restrict immigration and the law of supply and demand will increase the wages of low skilled workers by bringing cheap labor all you are doing is lowering wages for everybody and increasing inequality because the corporation makes more profit and both the native and immigrant make less wages its basically a lie to try to portray immigration as some kind of win win, immigration is win lose, somebody will win and another person will lose

Businesses will pay higher wages if they deem it necessary and essential for their business to pay higher wages. That's the bottom line.

actually there isnt more than that, anything else is not important

Umm actually there is more to it. So yeah.

you can use some weird definition of displacement, but the bottom line is that more immigrants means lower wages and increased inequality

Displacement means to forcefully remove something or someone out of a position. If you are not going after the position when someone else is you are not being displaced...I hope everyone is seeing this argument between me and you to see how stupid you sound when you type....where are my DAPS!!!!

 

[theworldismine13]

The web of complex interactions among factory openings and closings, choice of production methods, ethnic networking in hiring, and labor subcontracting all play a roll in displacement. Again my argument was there are various reasons for displacement that happens to SOME native workers and that the issue is complex. But the impact is minuscule.

what i am saying is that if you have an influx of low skilled workers that causes a decrease in wages for low skilled native workers and it increases inequality
and im saying that is enough reason to tightly control immigration

the only people that get hurt by immigration are low skilled workers everybody else benefits from it economically
the impact may be minuscule or beneficial to the overall economy but its not miniscule or beneficial to the native low skilled worker

you are making the judgement that any negative impact can be ignored and im disagreeing, i think the impact on the native low skilled is a non starter

i am disagreeing that we should dismiss the impact on low skilled workers because of other benefits and complexities, capish?

you dont have to continually explain yourself and bore me with references to some complexity or referencing some type of information that you think i dont know

Whatevs. In any event immigrant workers become consumers --> consumers create demand --> demand creates jobs (for natives) --> native employees become consumers. Rinse. Recycle. Repeat.

yeah whatever, i already said the more people you have in the country the bigger the economy is, so there is no question that more immigration expands the economy

im just correcting you about your use of the word "productivity"

Since there is evidence that low-skilled immigrants have steadily influence natives to better their education to increase their opportunities and chances for career advancement to move up from low-skilled labor the policies I advocate play out as a win-win for both parties.

its a win win if you ignore lower wages, increasing inequality and decreasing social cohesion

i dont ignore those things so its a win lose

and removing immigrants from these low-skilled jobs hurts businesses. While SOME businesses may opt-in to increase wages to attract native workers MOST businesses will either shut down operations completely, rely on some form of technology to supplement laborers, or outsource the jobs if natives are not willing to work the jobs with the low pay and conditions required.

yeah and?

american business have to get over their addiction to cheap labor

Nope...not at all. Unlike you I accept and acknowledge most unskilled native workers do not chase after most of the jobs immigrants apply for here. So rather than let these jobs get outsourced or shut down I support letting those that are WILLING to work the jobs to help impact the economy and certain industries while other better advancement opportunities in careers for all unskilled native workers become available.

yeah and you ignore the lower wages and increased income inequality that that dynamic causes

anything can look like a win win as long as you ignore the after effects

and i get that you are trying furiously to backtrack but your disdain for the native worker that demands higher wages has already been exposed, its too late

And I'm emphasizing SOME to help you realize in an open capitalist economy there will always be at least SOME winners and SOME losers.

yeah and? why is it so important to you that the losers be the low skilled native workers that demand higher wages

i have a better idea why dont we let the business that are addicted to cheap labor be the losers

If a demand of a job requires better skills from workers and the business can afford it they will increase wages instead of paying for cheap labor regardless of who takes it. If the business doesn't feel the labor is worth more they will go somewhere else that provides the cheap labor.

That's not showing lack of care for unskilled native workers

yeah that is the law of supply and demand, so if (presumably) we want american workers to have high wages, how is flooding the market with cheap labor helping wages?

What does it matter if natives are not pursuing the jobs en masse like immigrants do?

Businesses will pay higher wages if they deem it necessary and essential for their business to pay higher wages. That's the bottom line.

Umm actually there is more to it. So yeah.

the issue isnt what workers will accept or not

the issue is what should the immigration policy of the united states be

the question is whether the united states should flood the country with immigrants or should it be more strict about immigration

the question isnt whether immigrants are willing to work for less, the question is whether the immigrant should be in the country in the first place

Displacement means to forcefully remove something or someone out of a position. If you are not going after the position when someone else is you are not being displaced...I hope everyone is seeing this argument between me and you to see how stupid you sound when you type....where are my DAPS!!!!

i agree that everyone should see this argument so they can see how your argument is based on a disdain for native workers that demand higher wages, appeasing corporations that want cheap labor, and ignoring the lower wages, increased income inequality and decreased social cohesion cause by massive migration

im not saying immigration should stop im saying it needs to be tightly controlled so that its negative effects dont effect people too much

 

[Cabbage Patch]

It's easy for immigrants to be hired more, when you allow immigrants to do the hiring and all they do is bring their countrymen over. H1B Visa nikkas and nikkas dealing with Mexicans in Cali, y'all know what I'm talking about. The issues regarding discrimination which would bite a native in the ass, for some reason it's not being cracked down on as much when the ones doing it are immigrants.