MVP Candidate and vanilla face of the league openly crying about play in games

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He's 100% right. The season IS the play in. This is just a US thing. No big sports outside the US do this.
Also, the concept of the losers bracket :camby:
The World Cup, literally the biggest international sports tournament in the world, has play-in games for borderline qualifiers. In 2018 the 5th-place team from Asia played the 4th-place team from North America for the right to make the World Cup, and the top team from Oceana played the 5th-place team from South America.

Indian Premier League, the #1 cricket tournament in the world, has a play-in elimination game between the 3rd-place and 4th-place team to see who is going to get the chance to face the runner-up for a spot in the final.

Many sports (including most soccer leagues) will have play-in games as tiebreakers.
 

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The World Cup, literally the biggest international sports tournament in the world, has play-in games for borderline qualifiers. In 2018 the 5th-place team from Asia played the 4th-place team from North America for the right to make the World Cup, and the top team from Oceana played the 5th-place team from South America.

Indian Premier League, the #1 cricket tournament in the world, has a play-in elimination game between the 3rd-place and 4th-place team to see who is going to get the chance to face the runner-up for a spot in the final.

Many sports (including most soccer leagues) will have play-in games as tiebreakers.

Yes, the play in games in the World Cup are for getting in the World Cup. Not the playoff of the World Cup :mjlol:
I'll give you that I have no idea about cricket but that's mostly because it isn't a top 5 sport in the world. You don't see me talking about Team Handball lol.
And you are wrong about most football leagues, they uses goal difference, goals scored, points won in head-to-head meetings and away goals in head-to-head meetings.
 

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Yes, the play in games in the World Cup are for getting in the World Cup. Not the playoff of the World Cup :mjlol:
I'll give you that I have no idea about cricket but that's mostly because it isn't a top 5 sport in the world. You don't see me talking about Team Handball lol.
And you are wrong about most football leagues, they uses goal difference, goals scored, points won in head-to-head meetings and away goals in head-to-head meetings.

:mjlol:

Cricket is actually the 2nd most watched sport in the world.
 

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Being watched by India doesn't make it a top sport. Most of the world has no interest in Cricket

Exactly what is the measurement you are using for top 5 sport in the WORLD? Baseball and Football would be excluded for the same reason you trying to exclude cricket. Just admit you fukked up when you said world.
 

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In the bubble the play in games only were supposed to happed if teams finished within five games of each other.

The League does new shyt every year and it’s annoying at this point like it wasn’t even three seasons ago where they flattened the draft lottery percentage with the three worse teams having an equal percentage to get picks 1-4. As I’ve made mention many times before the draft lottery is how the league picks who goes where for the first seven years of their career if they don’t get traded.

The first contract an NBA player gets is four years with a team option after the four years they become restricted free agents with their team able to match any contract offers or go over the cap to keep using Bird rights. If the player doesn’t get the Rose MVP designation( win MVP, DPOY, make any all NBA Team) then the second contract is almost always three years. After the three years you get unrestricted free agency.

In recent years guys who are top level talent but not KD/LEBRON/STEPH level have been resigning with their team to get the big contract only to use the leverage to get a trade. The Clippers did it to Blake when they traded him to Detroit and it caused a backlash. Paul George did it when he went to join Kawhi in LA. As we know Kawhi called multiple people before calling Paul George including Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, and KD fresh off the Achilles rupture who wasn’t going to be able to play the next season.

In the NFL the QBs their contracts have the most guaranteed so when Desuan Watson signed that 4 year 156 million dollar contract he tried to use it for leverage to get out of Houston before the world found out he a creep.

Back to the NBA Gordon Hayward went to the Hornets this year because he had a connection to them and thought he was going to play there until the Jazz matched the contract offer. So before the season he was already talking to other teams to leave the Celtics and he ended up getting traded to the Hornets and signing a deal that didn’t cost him money. A few seasons ago Al Horford did similar when he opted out from his contract with the Celtics and signed with the 76ers but his Achilles got fukked up limiting him because you can’t really do shyt when it fukks up like that until it ruptures.

There’s “Tampering” going on through the league between front offices, the league offices, Agents, and certain players if their talent level gives them leverage. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bron or KD had a guy on their personal teams that would sit in a room all day putting results in a computer to maximize results for them to find the next team that they can win with and maximize the amount of money they can make before doing it again.

When Bron went to the Heat he took a pay cut. Bron ain’t take a pay cut since. KD has been taking pay cuts since OKC days but I don’t believe he had as much leverage as he should’ve until he went to Brooklyn if we are being honest. With all due respect to the league at large you are only cared about if you are an elite talent or a young guy projected to be an elite talent that’s why before last season the Warriors and Pelicans had so many national games.

To me this is the most interesting part of the whole basketball world that isn’t the game itself. I like to call it King of the mountain shyt. To be honest Bron has had the most success with the most leverage but in the later half of this decade guys not as good as Bron was will try to pull the same moves and will fail looking so horrible.

If you like the NBA take a pause and think about this how is it that Chris Paul and Westbrook are on different teams almost every year it’s because they lack leverage or they give it up in Chris Paul’s case he’s getting every bit of money in that contract he signed when he left Clippers and with Russ he’s such a depreciating asset.

Kyrie gets a lot of flack but he fits this to a tee after the Cavs drafted him he signed a four year deal for 23 million. Just before Bron came back to Cleveland because of his accolades Kyrie signed a 5 year extension for 94.3 million. After hearing about Bron trying to trade him for Paul George (mind you again Kyrie never had leverage at all like they wanted him to compete with Dion Waiters for starting PG) Kyrie demanded a trade and stated he would get a surgery to tank the team (that was leverage) he got traded to the Celtics after the first season which he salvaged after Hayward almost lost his leg the Boston media shytted on him a lot to the point he decided to opt out. Before they pissed him off just before the second season he talked about staying in Boston long term knowing that they would be able to sign him to longer and bigger money contracts through Bird rights while also down the line be able to flip some of the young guys and dozens of picks into AD. Running a big three of Kyrie, AD, and JT all under 30. But the Boston media couldn’t not be racist so Kyrie talked to AD and if you remember AD’s dad came out with a statement stating fukk the Celtics. After the second season he opted out and signed with Brooklyn for 4 years at 136 Million. You might wonder where did Kyrie and AD play to build a rapport they played on the USA teams. Winning FIBA tournaments and Olympic qualifying games. Kyrie came into the league at 19 and just turned 29. These next couple of years should be the prime of his career but I don’t think he will ever win MVP because of THE MEDIAA (Chris Rock voice).

The top of the league knows that if they give out enough MVPs to guys on smaller markets that those guys will move to larger markets because the bump in pay for getting certain achievements leads to that shyt where a guy is under 30 on a team making 45 Million playing with players who aren’t as good making just enough to not have the team in luxury tax until the person in question goes to the front office for their friends to get a bump in pay. CJ McCollum in 2016 signed a 106 million dollar 4 year extension then signed a 100 million 3 year extension last season. Career earning wise Kyrie has only made 35 million more than CJ with two more years in the league with them both being 29.


So to me it seems like the league punishes players that come into the league that can challenge top 20 status in the league early and it really creates a narrative on their careers because most of the league are pawns and if you do become King your reign is never forever.
 

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Being watched by India doesn't make it a top sport. Most of the world has no interest in Cricket
Its popular in the UK and all the islands colonized by the British, Australia, Arab countries, other South Asian countries, South Africa
 
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They play 82 games, if you can't finish top 8 then you don't deserve to be there.

I don't see the point in having teams fighting for the chance to get beaten by the 1/2 seed anyway:unimpressed:

They have young stars on not so great teams....just a way to sneak them in the playoffs. If Nola got close enough, best believe the NBA will "06 Finals" that shyt to get Zion in the postseason.

NBA has so many young stars but they try too hard to create a narrative and story instead of letting shyt happen naturally.
 
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The Mavericks are 10th overall in the league in top to bottom standings

Yet they would have to play a play-in game (or possibly 2) for a 16 team tournament.
You don’t see what’s egregious about that?

The Mavericks would be the 4 seed and have home court in the East, but they have to play a play-in tournament in the West. You don’t see what’s egregious about that?

The 13th overall team in the league in the NY Knicks don’t have to play a play-in game, but the 10th overall team in the league does. You don’t see what’s egregious about that?

You’re talking about posters not understanding the rules and complaining just to complain while ignoring the elephant in the room. The fact that you literally have a team that is in the top 3rd of the league that will have to play a play-in game to qualify for the playoffs that puts 16 out of 30 teams in is pretty astounding.


Nobody in the thread has addressed any of this. I’m very interested in hearing a compelling argument why lesser East teams should have secure playoff spots over competitive West teams that have to do gimmick tournaments

Dallas sports get shytted on for reasons unknown to me.

NBA wants to keep those eastern eyeballs so they let them get a free pass while western squads have to battle like a WW1 trench fight.

The East/West imbalance has been an issue for about 20 years now. NBA knows what would happen if they just did 1 to 16. Probably wait until the East is consistently stronger before moving to a 1-16 playoff format.
 

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Dallas sports get shytted on for reasons unknown to me.

NBA wants to keep those eastern eyeballs so they let them get a free pass while western squads have to battle like a WW1 trench fight.

The East/West imbalance has been an issue for about 20 years now. NBA knows what would happen if they just did 1 to 16. Probably wait until the East is consistently stronger before moving to a 1-16 playoff format.
Has any other sports league been so imbalanced. The west has been dominating as long as I can remember. Ever seen lakers/sixers lakers/nets days
 
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Has any other sports league been so imbalanced. The west has been dominating as long as I can remember. Ever seen lakers/sixers lakers/nets days

I can't think of any.

That's why everyone keeps talking about 1-16 but Silver is not letting that happen if the West is getting 10+ spots.

I remember when just the SW Division with San Antonio, Houston and Dallas was murderers row. Had to win like 55 games just to be in the mix.

Lakers and Spurs on top while everyone knew they needed to win 45 games MINIMUM just to feel comfortable about the playoffs. League seems more balanced than back then but not much more.
 
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