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@Amerikan Melanin if benefits that blacks received don't count because other races also received them then why does the 94 crime bill count against Biden if it also affected other races? :jbhmm:

You seem to be an exceptionally dumb poster. Here is Biden's speech on the 94 Crime bill that everybody knew then and now was dog whistling racism against Black men. Now add that speech to the fact that he fought against desegregating schools:

Biden in 1993 speech pushing crime bill warned of 'predators on our streets' who were 'beyond the pale'

By Andrew Kaczynski
Updated 11:43 AM ET, Thu March 7, 2019

(CNN)Joe Biden in a 1993 speech warned of "predators on our streets" who were "beyond the pale" and said they must be cordoned off from the rest of society because the justice system did not know how to rehabilitate them.

Biden, then chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the comments on the Senate floor a day before a vote was scheduled on the Senate's version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.

His central role in shaping and shepherding the tough-on-crime bill will likely face scrutiny in a Democratic primary should he run for president in 2020. His 1993 comments, which were in line with the broad political consensus to tackling crime at the time, are at odds with a new bipartisan coalition of activists and lawmakers who are trying to undo what they say is a legacy of mass incarceration fostered by that era.

Biden's word choice could also pose a problem with a new generation of Democrats who view the rhetoric at the time as perpetuating harmful myths about the black community.

CNN's KFile came across the 1993 speech during a review of the former vice president's record.

President Bill Clinton in 1994 signed the crime bill into law with broad bipartisan support as violent crime rates peaked in the US in the early 1990s. Included in the law was the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."

"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."

In the speech, Biden described a "cadre of young people, tens of thousands of them, born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally ... because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity." He said, "we should focus on them now" because "if we don't, they will, or a portion of them, will become the predators 15 years from now."

Biden added that he didn't care "why someone is a malefactor in society" and that criminals needed to be "away from my mother, your husband, our families."

Bill Russo, a spokesman for Biden, said high violent crime rates at the time was key context to understanding the bill and that, "Senator-Biden's strong rhetoric" was in response to Republican critiques that past efforts had been too soft on crime.

"Then-Senator Biden was referring specifically to violent crimes in the selected quotes. He was not talking about a kid stealing a candy bar, but someone who committed sexual assault, manslaughter, or murder," Russo told CNN in an email. "In contrast, he says in the same speech that we need a different approach for nonviolent crimes. Specifically, he says we 'need to keep people who are first time offenders, non-violent offenders, or potential first-time offenders who in fact are people getting themselves into the crime stream from the first time -- that they should be diverted from the system.'"


Biden's spokesman added the 1994 crime bill included funding "to keep individuals who committed first-time offenses and non-violent crimes out of prison and instead in treatment and supervision," and that Biden advocated for prevention funding. Russo also pointed to two provisions of the bill that led to Biden's strong support of its passage: bans on high-capacity magazines and assault weapons and the Violence Against Women Act.

Biden's 1993 "predator" remarks are similar to comments made by then-first lady Hillary Clinton in 1996, where she warned of "superpredators" who had "no conscience, no empathy" and who need to be brought "to heel." During the 2016 Democratic primary, Clinton was confronted by Black Lives Matter activists over her use of the term. Clinton later told the Washington Post: "Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today.

Biden defended the 1994 crime law as a whole in a 2016 interview with CNBC, saying, "By and large, what it really did, it restored American cities."
But more recently, at an event talking about criminal justice in January, Biden said, "I haven't always been right. I know we haven't always gotten things right, but I've always tried."

He highlighted his later work with President Barack Obama to address the sentencing disparity for crack versus powder cocaine, saying, "It was a big mistake when it was made," he said at the National Action Network's Martin Luther King Jr. breakfast in Washington. "We thought, we were told by the experts, that crack you never go back, it was somehow fundamentally different. It's not different. But it's trapped an entire generation."

In the decades since it passed, portions of the act have been singled out by critics as contributing to the expansion of mass incarceration, particularly of African Americans. Speaking about mass incarceration in 2015, Bill Clinton said he "signed a bill that made the problem worse, and I want to admit it."
In 1993, Biden spoke to the broad political consensus that had formed around tackling violent crime.

"The consensus is A), we must take back the streets," Biden said, "It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter or my son or daughter, my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents, it doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth. It doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that enabled them to become socialized into the fabric of society. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons."

Biden added in his speech that rehabilitation could not be a condition for release or sentencing, because the United States criminal justice system didn't know how to rehabilitate offenders.

"I'm the guy that said rehabilitation, when it occurs, we don't understand it and notice it and even when we notice it and we know it occurs, we don't know why," he said. "So you cannot make rehabilitation a condition for release."

The consensus, Biden again said, was the need to make streets safer. With an impassioned plea, Biden said he did not care what led someone to commit crimes.
"I don't care why someone is a malefactor in society. I don't care why someone is antisocial. I don't care why they've become a sociopath," Biden said. "We have an obligation to cordon them off from the rest of society, try to help them, try to change the behavior. That's what we do in this bill. We have drug treatment and we have other treatments to try to deal with it, but they are in jail."
Biden in 1993 speech pushing crime bill warned of 'predators on our streets' who were 'beyond the pale' - CNNPolitics
 
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I could care less about side eye treatment on the internet especially when the champion of the cause refers to black women as gorillas(indirect jab not directed towards you), and it isn't merely as simple as not voting we will go with those who support our agenda, just because a few users yell one thing doesn't make it so, ados is vast you have users who vote locally for those that support them, only here is it some grand scheme to dismantle the democrats.

We've given years of support to democrats for nothing and the minute we ask for something in return we get this kind of backlash? I'm not too worried because I know regardless of who holds presidency our position will remain the same so this isn't battle that can wait because the next black person who gets clapped could be someone you know(let us hope not) and we won't be getting justice if we continue to wait and show support with no questions asked of those who are suppose to be working in our best interest.
The backlash (on here) is due to the fact most people aren't taking y'all (The Don't Vote Brigade) seriously because you guys are operating backwards...for voters the game has always been about supporting/voting in the candidates you feel will give you the chance at speaking your suggestions and whether or not those needs come to fruition the main point is that they listened to you and tried to get it done.

Nobody ever gets everything they want out of a president, mayor, politician, sheriff, etc but you take those chances in giving them a chance in the big chair to see what they can do.

By you not voting and leaving in presidents/politicians who won't give you the time of the day...most ppl (and this isn't just exclusive to the coli) will not take you politically serious...you say things will remain the same regardless of whoever's president because basically in your opinion (like many other "Don't Vote posters) you believe black ppl are just doomed for eternally and how we should just give up and sit in the corner...

Then you wonder why the assumption is that the “No Vote” crowd are either two things agents or just politically inept.
 

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@Amerikan Melanin if benefits that blacks received don't count because other races also received them then why does the 94 crime bill count against Biden if it also affected other races? :jbhmm:

And to that end, why is all talk of criminal justice reform, which would by definition undo much of the damage caused by the crime bill, hit with the :camby: under the guise of, "How dare you assume all black people are criminals? :mjpls:"
 

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If you're an agent trying to push an agenda to get black folks to not vote, you can't post about it just once breh. :mjlit:
Mods should make this the official "I'm not voting unless we get reparations thread" to avoid the bullshyt from the agents.

Condense their dissussion efforts. If they do that shyt would be way better and all their threads can get sent here.

They'd probably find another board to spam if that happened.
 
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Act like simply being a Democrat’s makes them a benevolent group brehs.

Black people are an endangered group and throwing our vote away for free cause democrats dance in our churches is crazy to me. When you ask them about a black agenda they talk trickle down policy.

not gonna go around in circular debates all day but we been voting for Democrats for 60yrs now and our position in this country has gotten consistently worse. To the point where we are passed by immigrants that just arrived here.

BTW republicans aren’t any better.

Besides practicing group economics and individual responsibility we just have to hold our larger votes for ransom.
 

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Please say it louder cause folks on the coli still don't understand this.

If you ain't talking about putting money in these politicians pockets then you just yapping off at the mouth. Voting is like the car and donations/money is the fuel.

With out gas the car is worthless. Same with voting...without the money the vote ain't gonna get you there and vice versa.


These dudes need to come together and form a political action committee. Seriously. It's pretty much the only way to keep the conversation going between elections because sadly money talks
 

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If holding out votes work, what new policies are on the table now ? What does Biden offer that Hillary didn’t ?

I am not saying to hold out votes, but you are blind if you can not see the desperation of the Democratic and Republican parties after fewer African Americans voted last election. That was literally the difference in the northern States in Trump being President. What they have done now is given you a brown face to make you think that you are advancing.

If you want to get a good idea about the desperation level of both parties notice that Trump is always touting what he has done for African Americans. Notice the Republican party efforts to disenfranchise Black voters. Notice Jim Crow Joe's desperation to get Black politicians on board with him. The problem is that African American politicians are focused only on themselves and not their electorate. Biden has more racial baggage than Hillary Clinton and I did not vote for her and I will not be voting for him.
 

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These dudes need to come together and form a political action committee. Seriously. It's pretty much the only way to keep the conversation going between elections because sadly money talks
You're assuming these dudes actually give a fukk about black folk in real life. Notice how these reparations folk are never in threads about us doing for self like supporting black owned businesses or how to start a business.

Their only solution is "Give us reparations" which is what I'd say if I was someone trying to get black folk not to vote because I know they'll never get it.
 

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y'all looking for love out here :mjlol:

Grow up :scust:

Love ain't got nothing to do with it. If Black people are going to vote then they need to hold out for tangibles.

I am surprised that you don't understand that as a so called Black man. :patrice:

Because that is exactly what African Americans did from the 1870s through the 1960s in order to get Civil Rights. That is what terrorized Southern White people.
 

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Act like simply being a Democrat’s makes them a benevolent group brehs.

Black people are an endangered group and throwing our vote away for free cause democrats dance in our churches is crazy to me. When you ask them about a black agenda they talk trickle down policy.

not gonna go around in circular debates all day but we been voting for Democrats for 60yrs now and our position in this country has gotten consistently worse. To the point where we are passed by immigrants that just arrived here.

BTW republicans aren’t any better.

Besides practicing group economics and individual responsibility we just have to hold our larger votes for ransom.
So you not gonna respond to the posts that exposed your logic ?
I am not saying to hold out votes, but you are blind if you can not see the desperation of the Democratic and Republican parties after fewer African Americans voted last election. That was literally the difference in the northern States in Trump being President. What they have done now is given you a brown face to make you think that you are advancing.

If you want to get a good idea about the desperation level of both parties notice that Trump is always touting what he has done for African Americans. Notice the Republican party efforts to disenfranchise Black voters. Notice Jim Crow Joe's desperation to get Black politicians on board with him. The problem is that African American politicians are focused only on themselves and not their electorate. Biden has more racial baggage than Hillary Clinton and I did not vote for her and I will not be voting for him.
You're talking about discourse. ADOS is specifically focused on policies.

So if democrats are more desperate this time, outside of their rhetoric, what new policies have emerged from withholding the vote in 2016?
 

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Biden aint your wife bruh. He's a coworker. Go join Tinder if you're looking to get your rocks off :ufdup:
:heh:

Obama Administration Most Diverse In History

Again y'all. This is another so called Black man defending a segregationist.

Segregationist have beat up, shot, hung, burned and tortured Black people for over 100 years and you have stupid people like the one I am quoting willing to look past Biden's past to dishonor the African American suffering.
 

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Love ain't got nothing to do with it. If Black people are going to vote then they need to hold out for tangibles.

I am surprised that you don't understand that as a so called Black man. :patrice:

Because that is exactly what African Americans did from the 1870s through the 1960s in order to get Civil Rights. That is what terrorized Southern White people.
What tangibles are you looking for ?
 
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@Amerikan Melanin if benefits that blacks received don't count because other races also received them then why does the 94 crime bill count against Biden if it also affected other races? :jbhmm:

This is a really weak argument. Is it easier to hold someone down or lift them up?

Blacks are an endangered group, barely holding on by a thread, you institute a policy that targets them but other races get caught in the net. Whites caught up in drug busts by and large get slaps on the wrists. Blacks get life in prison. This is a hard concept for you apologists to understand?

trickle down tangibles lift all the groups ahead of blacks so no matter how much crumbs we get sprinkled on us we are still behind!

Do you know the definition of equity and equality?

Equity-768x565.jpg


For you to ask about something like the crime bill affecting all is really shameful. What is YOUR agenda? Are you for black equity or not?
 

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Again y'all. This is another so called Black man defending a segregationist.

Segregationist have beat up, shot, hung, burned and tortured Black people for over 100 years and you have stupid people like the one I am quoting willing to look past Biden's past to dishonor the African American suffering.
Do you know who Abraham Lincoln was?

or LBJ? :heh:

You ain't gotta love any one here
 
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