Myth of Nas having wack beats

[tremonthustler1]

This the perfect example of the different standards.

Pusha is on Kanye's label and worked on Daytona for months. Had a full album and they cut it down to the 7 best tracks because that's what Kanye wanted.

Nasir was put together in under a week. Vocals were recorded over unfinished beats. But he's still expected to drop a classic.

Whose fault is that?


He's been in the game too long for shyt like that to happen.

 

[Billy Ocean]

OutKast and Missy Elliott had production that was ahead of the curve.

Still, if Nas had that kind of production in his albums, he would still be criticized. Why? A lot of his critics only like Nas on certain beats. If he goes even a little left with it, they dismiss it as wack. If Nas dropped a song today rhyming over something as crazy as "Bombs Over Baghdad" or "Big Pimpin", people would diss him no matter how dope it sounded. Nas killed his verse on Missy's "Hot Boyz" and still caught flack.

When I ask who actually has had beats ahead of the curve I'm asking about Nas' peers that are usually in the same GOAT Hip Hop MC conversations as he is. Missy isn't and Outkast is a group. There really aren't any MC that is on that GOAT level that can really be said to have have beats that were "ahead of the curve".

And I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[tremonthustler1]

OutKast and Missy Elliott had production that was ahead of the curve.

Still, if Nas had that kind of production in his albums, he would still be criticized. Why? A lot of his critics only like Nas on certain beats. If he goes even a little left with it, they dismiss it as wack. If Nas dropped a song today rhyming over something as crazy as "Bombs Over Baghdad" or "Big Pimpin", people would diss him no matter how dope it sounded. Nas killed his verse on Missy's "Hot Boyz" and still caught flack.

who criticized Nas for his verse on Hot Boyz? That beat was tough.

 

[JustCKing]

When I ask who actually has had beats ahead of the curve I'm asking about Nas' peers that are usually in the same GOAT Hip Hop MC conversations as he is. Missy isn't and Outkast is a group. There really aren't any MC that is on that GOAT level that can really be said to have have beats that were "ahead of the curve".

And I agree with the rest of your post.

Jay Z is the only one in that sphere that gets the "ahead of the curve tag" in regard to production. When 4:44 dropped, No I.D. had a whole feature in Rollingstone due to his work on that album. Complex named him best producer of 2017 because of it.

Watch The Throne and even MCHG got the same treatment.

 

[Mike Wins]

Whose fault is that?


He's been in the game too long for shyt like that to happen.

Why it gotta be anyone's fault? Rappers knock out quick projects all the time. But Nas does it and first thing everyone wanna do is compare it to projects with a ton more time, energy and money invested in them.

 

[NormanConnors]

Been saying Nastradamus is underrated and better than I Am

 

[NormanConnors]

you want debate semantics and then repeat what I just said using different words



you a funny nikka man its known Nas picks wack beats

Kool Keith @ 25:00

Kool Keith is one of the last cats that should be talking about someone rapping over bad beats, aside from the Ultra and Dan the Automator stuff breh's beats have been hit or miss at best, mostly miss. Which is because Keith is more than capable.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Jay Z is the only one in that sphere that gets the "ahead of the curve tag" in regard to production. When 4:44 dropped, No I.D. had a whole feature in Rollingstone due to his work on that album. Complex named him best producer of 2017 because of it.

Watch The Throne and even MCHG got the same treatment.

And he gets that tag just because of who he is. Jay really hasn't done anything groundbreaking with his album content or production. Maybe Blueprint but what Ye and Just' did with the beats on there were just a more streamlined version of what RZA was doing. Nothing no ID did on 4:44 was ahead of the curve and alot of the accolades Jay and anybody associated with that album got was because people felt Jay did a "grown man" album...something Nas did already and with better results (in my opinion) with Life Is Good.

What's funny with Jay is that he's picked wack beats from dudes that are industry hitmakers and superproducers (Pharell, Timbo, Swizz...). Jay is without a doubt one of the most incredible MCs to ever do it but he has a bunch of suspect albums filled with forgettable beats on his resume (Kingdom Come, Blueprint 2, Blueprint 3, MCHG...) and he's NEVER called a wack beat picker.

 

[The Dust King]

That's actually pretty true. His fans and stans were upset jay lost to nas so they started making up any ole thing because they couldnt knock his rhymes. Just like people started acting like It Written and I am ain't dope albums.

actually breh it wasnt nas responses it was just jays larger than life presence

the takeover is not only opinions but straight up lies but its perceived as a g.o.a.t. diss record

everything jay said on the takeover i have had fans, stans and now years later kids repeat to me

whatever negative critiques people had about nas were now facts

mad nggaz i know think nas albums are ass. a lot of people.

where did this idea stem from?

mainstream media narrative disrespectin the modern day langston hughes

a 27 yr old told me kings disease was AIGHT, better than almost anythin hes ever done

i asked a 40 yr old and he said "i was surprised it was pretty good considerin nas hasnt given us a good album in yrs"

so the media (source xxl mtv bet hot97 etc) say yo nas fell off

then this is repeated for five years till two things;

1. nas squash beef signs w DJ
2. social media and the internet poppn

so now every joe blow with a opinion can now voice it and this where we at now

nas gets critiques that jayz and BIG and pac DO NOT GET

quick example; money is my bytch

to the average poster its a wack song from I AM

complaints are the beat and the hook

nas rapped over steel drums before on silent murder yet this is ass? ok

BIG and Pac can sing hooks but nas sings a hook and its wack? ok

Nas has a special place in hiphop that exsists above and beyond ratings

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Whose fault is that?


He's been in the game too long for shyt like that to happen.

The only thing Nas did wrong when it came to Nasir was saying yes to Kanye. Everything else was Kanye's fault because he had this ambitious concept in his head that he was ill-prepared for. To this day, he still makes it a big deal about how important it was for him to produce Nasir, but the work doesn't reflect that. The album wasn't even finished on release day.

 

[prophecypro]

The only thing Nas did wrong when it came to Nasir was saying yes to Kanye. Everything else was Kanye's fault because he had this ambitious concept in his head that he was ill-prepared for. To this day, he still makes it a big deal about how important it was for him to produce Nasir, but the work doesn't reflect that. The album wasn't even finished on release day.

A lot of things about that rollout when you hear more and more things about it make it seem like it was kind of disastorous. Even the music that was good. Like appearently he completed fukked around on the Teyona album tracklisting even if it turned out decent,. She was mad at was left out. Ye was recorded over and over and rushed in 8 days, Even Daytona I have been told was either completed and then re-recorded/done over or that the songs were done and he just re-mixed them (Heard different stories)

 

[Billy Ocean]

The only thing Nas did wrong when it came to Nasir was saying yes to Kanye. Everything else was Kanye's fault because he had this ambitious concept in his head that he was ill-prepared for. To this day, he still makes it a big deal about how important it was for him to produce Nasir, but the work doesn't reflect that. The album wasn't even finished on release day.

A lot of things about that rollout when you hear more and more things about it make it seem like it was kind of disastorous. Even the music that was good. Like appearently he completed fukked around on the Teyona album tracklisting even if it turned out decent,. She was mad at was left out. Ye was recorded over and over and rushed in 8 days, Even Daytona I have been told was either completed and then re-recorded/done over or that the songs were done and he just re-mixed them (Heard different stories)

Ye a clown and I hope none of my favorite artists work with him going forward. He always was weird but nikkas put up with it because he crafted dope ass music. Now his shyt mostly wack so he has no redeeming value.

 

[prophecypro]

Ye a clown and I hope none of my favorite artists work with him going forward. He always was weird but nikkas put up with it because he crafted dope ass music. Now his shyt mostly wack so he has no redeeming value.

Hes become way too much of a chaotic figure. I dont even think he produced anything on Big Sean's album and it was mostly Hit Boy (Im assuming he got the exec producer credit cause Sean is Ye's artist)

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It's not really a myth.

Name me a Nas album were the beats were ahead of the curve? Never, his beats have never cracked ground or delivered before market expectation.

I been fairly critical of Nas’ production over the years but I can name am easy one where the bears were ahead of the curve.

King’s Disease.

Honest answer. I don’t see what more anyone could want from Nas production in 2020. Hit-Boy is mixing traditional boom bap with modern sounds better than most.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Ye a clown and I hope none of my favorite artists work with him going forward. He always was weird but nikkas put up with it because he crafted dope ass music. Now his shyt mostly wack so he has no redeeming value.

In hindsight I’m amazed Kanye was able to pull off Daytona.