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Name a wrestler with more talent than prime RVD.
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Kurt fukking Angle
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Guys better than and predating RVD's large drawing boom era in his actual style or were versatile enough they could turtle better than RVD as well.
Art Barr: The Real Art Barr
Pound for pound and given the time period. Art Barr is arguably the greatest and most innovative grappler in all facets to ever grace a wrasslin ring. He could have been the goat if he lived long enough and was so far ahead of his time. That if not in trouble was one of the few nwa/wcw guys next to Scott Steiner.
Where you could have polished the world title up and gave it to him after his debut and revolutionized wrasslin.
Wrasslin was held back by art Barr and Scott Steiner never becoming wcw/nwa champion.
Rick rude
Jake the snake
Eddy g
Dynamite kid
Chris benoit
Billy Kidman : You can't powerbomb kidman, and his ringwork should not be overlooked or forgotten because he was an enigma inring. Plus, if we really go back Kidman was either inring with rey or carrying anyone to solid matches with incredible endings and a more innovative moveset of all varieties from being brought up by kanyon.
Chris Jericho : Although Jericho was very good at making risks safer and may not be looked at as a high flyer or cruiser by his WWE run but Jericho pretty much revolutionized tag wrasslin with lance storm.
Plus was an inventive finisher of all types of matches in singles I am not sure RVD got a chance to display his ring psychology in the same manner Jericho got to.
just before RVD and sabu would get their chance to revolutionize tags, a few years later.
Steamboat : Well he was damn near Better than everyone who stepped in a wrasslin ring not named Benoit or dynamite or styles via workrate.
Whom also should go down as arguably the best natural domestic baby face with the highest work rate and draw potential you could find.
Macho man Randy savage : Just better in every way especially preparation leading to outcome of a classic match.
Kanyon : Workrate wise was better just never had a feud to showcase this because he was just Better and more innovative than everyone.
Imo, kanyon should have tried to get a feud with nova who stole all his innovation and moves. shyt everyone stole his innovation and moves.
Ramped up ddp was better than RVD and also had access and utilized said innovative kanyon moveset to his advantage.
While also employing kanyon's brain trust.
to create the best counter out of nowhere wins in wrasslin history.
Rey mysterio. : Was better than RVD in ecw and all the early pre-nwo invades and a bit after the nwo take over.
He just was phased out with malenko as the top wcw draw.
when and after the nwo came along.
Before the nwo rey and malenko were the top draws in wcw.
Flanked by eddy and Jericho,....
Scott Steiner : Early Michigan alum Scotty is arguably the best grappler in a heavy division.
to ever get a pair of tights or in his case a singlet.
Sting : Was better than RVD and out of nowhere versus anyone could have had a five star classic on ppv or freetv.
Especially from 98 till he retired.
Kurt Angle : Although debuting after rvd's impactful ecw run was going.
Angle is arguably the single most talented all around perfect package grapplers in the history of shoot or worked angles in grappling history. I just did not mention him in my earlier rant because I wanted to think about this in two segments.
As it is difficult for me to think about grapplers indepthly who I was into before the death of Chris Benoit.
If not for rohtv on directv, I would never have watched wrasslin again after Benoit died and angle is closely related to benoit and whom i look at in legacy as the mainstream guy domestically who was benoit's natural mainstream rival. So sometimes it is difficult for me to think about that era because i was a huge mark for Benoit.
Sooner or later I will think of more.
It will just take me some time because I just don't like to think about anything related to wrasslin before rohtv on directv.
If not for that program I would have never viewed or gave a fukk about wrasslin anymore like I do baseball.
Whereas baseball is just dead to me all together.
Sugar Shane : Unheralded because he was as good if not better than the second coming of hbk and was politically held back for it.
Plus had actual issue with hbk as well. So he never got to showcase he could do any and everything better than mostly anyone inring in his rampup phase as sugar shane.
One of the kpat talented unheralded and utilized guys of that time in the big promotion. He should have been a star and to shackle him and bury him was one of the most potential draw defeating burials of that era that goes unnoticed.
Taz : It is a reason why RVD had to hold the tv title.
As taz imo was the actual best world champion all around in that era.
As he was healthier and could showcase workrate on a level.
above an injured now amalgamated smashmouth me style Austin and rock.
Plus, he was an excellent talker who was not shackled and could if allowed.
could hang with the hof greats with no nonsense aggression on the stic.
Art Barr
This was difficult, more will come to me.
Although it hurts to think about this because I would hope we were all RVD fans of epic proportions.
That you either loved RVD or as a byproduct try to showcase hate because you did used to love RVD.
Art Barr: The Real Art Barr
Pound for pound and given the time period. Art Barr is arguably the greatest and most innovative grappler in all facets to ever grace a wrasslin ring. He could have been the goat if he lived long enough and was so far ahead of his time. That if not in trouble was one of the few nwa/wcw guys next to Scott Steiner.
Where you could have polished the world title up and gave it to him after his debut and revolutionized wrasslin.
Wrasslin was held back by art Barr and Scott Steiner never becoming wcw/nwa champion.
Rick rude
Jake the snake
Eddy g
Dynamite kid
Chris benoit
Billy Kidman : You can't powerbomb kidman, and his ringwork should not be overlooked or forgotten because he was an enigma inring. Plus, if we really go back Kidman was either inring with rey or carrying anyone to solid matches with incredible endings and a more innovative moveset of all varieties from being brought up by kanyon.
Chris Jericho : Although Jericho was very good at making risks safer and may not be looked at as a high flyer or cruiser by his WWE run but Jericho pretty much revolutionized tag wrasslin with lance storm.
Plus was an inventive finisher of all types of matches in singles I am not sure RVD got a chance to display his ring psychology in the same manner Jericho got to.
just before RVD and sabu would get their chance to revolutionize tags, a few years later.
Steamboat : Well he was damn near Better than everyone who stepped in a wrasslin ring not named Benoit or dynamite or styles via workrate.
Whom also should go down as arguably the best natural domestic baby face with the highest work rate and draw potential you could find.
Macho man Randy savage : Just better in every way especially preparation leading to outcome of a classic match.
Kanyon : Workrate wise was better just never had a feud to showcase this because he was just Better and more innovative than everyone.
Imo, kanyon should have tried to get a feud with nova who stole all his innovation and moves. shyt everyone stole his innovation and moves.
Ramped up ddp was better than RVD and also had access and utilized said innovative kanyon moveset to his advantage.
While also employing kanyon's brain trust.
to create the best counter out of nowhere wins in wrasslin history.
Rey mysterio. : Was better than RVD in ecw and all the early pre-nwo invades and a bit after the nwo take over.
He just was phased out with malenko as the top wcw draw.
when and after the nwo came along.
Before the nwo rey and malenko were the top draws in wcw.
Flanked by eddy and Jericho,....
Scott Steiner : Early Michigan alum Scotty is arguably the best grappler in a heavy division.
to ever get a pair of tights or in his case a singlet.
Sting : Was better than RVD and out of nowhere versus anyone could have had a five star classic on ppv or freetv.
Especially from 98 till he retired.
Kurt Angle : Although debuting after rvd's impactful ecw run was going.
Angle is arguably the single most talented all around perfect package grapplers in the history of shoot or worked angles in grappling history. I just did not mention him in my earlier rant because I wanted to think about this in two segments.
As it is difficult for me to think about grapplers indepthly who I was into before the death of Chris Benoit.
If not for rohtv on directv, I would never have watched wrasslin again after Benoit died and angle is closely related to benoit and whom i look at in legacy as the mainstream guy domestically who was benoit's natural mainstream rival. So sometimes it is difficult for me to think about that era because i was a huge mark for Benoit.
Sooner or later I will think of more.
It will just take me some time because I just don't like to think about anything related to wrasslin before rohtv on directv.
If not for that program I would have never viewed or gave a fukk about wrasslin anymore like I do baseball.
Whereas baseball is just dead to me all together.
Sugar Shane : Unheralded because he was as good if not better than the second coming of hbk and was politically held back for it.
Plus had actual issue with hbk as well. So he never got to showcase he could do any and everything better than mostly anyone inring in his rampup phase as sugar shane.
One of the kpat talented unheralded and utilized guys of that time in the big promotion. He should have been a star and to shackle him and bury him was one of the most potential draw defeating burials of that era that goes unnoticed.
Taz : It is a reason why RVD had to hold the tv title.
As taz imo was the actual best world champion all around in that era.
As he was healthier and could showcase workrate on a level.
above an injured now amalgamated smashmouth me style Austin and rock.
Plus, he was an excellent talker who was not shackled and could if allowed.
could hang with the hof greats with no nonsense aggression on the stic.
Art Barr
This was difficult, more will come to me.
Although it hurts to think about this because I would hope we were all RVD fans of epic proportions.
That you either loved RVD or as a byproduct try to showcase hate because you did used to love RVD.
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GoddamnyamanProf
Countdown to Armageddon
Lots and lots of guys
His hands have always looked bad going back pre WWE
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
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I don't think the rainmaker is better than RVD.
As the rainmaker like RVD is in a promotion where he is catered to workrate wise more than anyone not named RVD or tanahashi.
It is why I can't say ultimo was better than rvd because domestically ultimo also.
never figured out how to translate to the domestic promotions past just perception.
Where politically he could overcome being held back.
Imo, the rainmaker would be neutered to much in a domestic large promotion capacity and why I feel the rainmaker on domestic soil is pretty much Randy Orton allowed to work on real god levels and trained to work on only god levels of workrate.
It is difficult to say if tanahashi or rainmaker are better than RVD because RVD domestically in all styles of domestic carny booking is that guy.
That I don't think tanahashi or rainmaker could be that guy.
if hampered by politics like RVD was in a large domestic promotion like WWE.
If both could come over to the us and recreate those types of workrate psychological thriller based matches domestically while shackled like RVD..
I could say easily they were online with RVD.
Yet, to say they are better they would have to endure some political turmoil professionally and in njpw rainmaker and tanahashi are the promotions darlings.
Where they have not endured or been shackled from show casing their best work domestically.
Domestically we don't know what would happen or if they would be able to endure those types of conditions.
Which is why I say it is more based on if they ever came over to the WWE and it serves no purpose to have them in the WWE.
As they could be made a mockery of like the great sasuke was in wwf.
Art Barr
I don't think the rainmaker is better than RVD.
As the rainmaker like RVD is in a promotion where he is catered to workrate wise more than anyone not named RVD or tanahashi.
It is why I can't say ultimo was better than rvd because domestically ultimo also.
never figured out how to translate to the domestic promotions past just perception.
Where politically he could overcome being held back.
Imo, the rainmaker would be neutered to much in a domestic large promotion capacity and why I feel the rainmaker on domestic soil is pretty much Randy Orton allowed to work on real god levels and trained to work on only god levels of workrate.
It is difficult to say if tanahashi or rainmaker are better than RVD because RVD domestically in all styles of domestic carny booking is that guy.
That I don't think tanahashi or rainmaker could be that guy.
if hampered by politics like RVD was in a large domestic promotion like WWE.
If both could come over to the us and recreate those types of workrate psychological thriller based matches domestically while shackled like RVD..
I could say easily they were online with RVD.
Yet, to say they are better they would have to endure some political turmoil professionally and in njpw rainmaker and tanahashi are the promotions darlings.
Where they have not endured or been shackled from show casing their best work domestically.
Domestically we don't know what would happen or if they would be able to endure those types of conditions.
Which is why I say it is more based on if they ever came over to the WWE and it serves no purpose to have them in the WWE.
As they could be made a mockery of like the great sasuke was in wwf.
Art Barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Not true,...
In ecw, tna and freelance indy work his peppered jab and overhand right hand cross were thrown with more believeability and style of strike.
It was not till the so called stiff stigma was placed on him and Jericho did his punches start to look and lack Convincability.
Art Barr
One wrestler? Shelton Benjamin
U thought Hickenbottom was more talented than Van Dam? LolKurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Sting, AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura...
I could keep going, RVD wasn't great enough on the mic and while a great act on his own he couldn't be thrown in there with anyone to have a great match to the same level as those other guys
You go too far in the opposite direction of the Kliq stans
The Great One
Swag Surfin
Who is this poster?
5 stars, Pos rep.
5 stars, Pos rep.
Without reading through the replies I'm gonna go ahead and say no one. I was a kid in the 90s but the shyt RVD used your do I had never seen before.
He's the poster child for being ahead of your time in my eyes.
He's the poster child for being ahead of your time in my eyes.
watching AJ in the early TNA days is the only wrestler that gave me the feeling watching RVD as a kid gave me.
Aj is the first time I seen a spring board 450
Bret Hart was the king of suicide dives... I had never seen a wrestler clear the top rope without touching it until Undertaker. But when AJ would do that rotation while clearing the top rope (idek how to describe that shyt) I would lose my mind every fukking time
AJ Styles
If they ever let A.J. Main Event Mania it might be the greatest match of all time. He is going to go IN.
AJ vs Seth Mania Main Event.
Not trying to see AJ go out like that