Nas - King’s Disease (Discussion Thread)

[TheDarceKnight]

That’s more of a personality thing than a true decision imo. Hov is a hustler and charmer. Nas is antisocial and sticks to his people. Hov also rewarded people....a practice he still uses to this day. Media people want access. They want an invite to the exclusive party, or the hot party. They want an interview. They want a shout out. Nas just isn’t that dude to do that stuff.

To me the bigger Hov/Nas difference is that Hov always understood cutting edge production is key. He built a production team that laced him with heat and went on to become some of the greatest in the game (Kanye, Just Blaze, Bink to a lesser extent). He also fostered relationships with top tier producers and kept feeding them (Timbo, Pharrell, etc). Nas had the budgets to do this but just never capitalized. That’s why every noteworthy major rapper in recent years has had some type of production crew. You have to get hungry young beat makers and see if they flourish.

Jay definitely kept a team of consistent producers around him. It’s important. Jay also broke some new producers. I mean a lot of these cats would’ve made it anyways, but he gave big breaks and/or big placements to 9th Wonder, Neptunes, Kanye, Just, Bink, and a couple others.

He had a good balance of using producers that were hot, but also trying to give breaks to new ones.

Nas did use some producers regularly throughout most of his career too, to be fair. Salaam and Alchemist and LES come to mind

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It's crazy unfair how he's held to such a standard. They even tried to metoo him with the Kelis allegations. It was almost like critics made an organized concerted effort to get him out the paint when Nasir dropped using Kelis and MAGA Ye as their justifiable reasons for mediocre reviews.

I will say that if Nas had rapped on some of the trash that Timbo supplies on blueprint 3 (especially ghetto techno) he never would’ve lived it down.

 

[Stick Up Kid]

L.E.S. Is an underrated producer for Nas as well

 

[TheDarceKnight]

L.E.S. Is an underrated producer for Nas as well

Most definitely!

 

[Ball]

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

Pretty much

 

[Ziggiy]

None of the names u mentioned could affect Nas in anyway. Jay has been in feuds with way more people than Nas. Nas is friendly with the top people not those peons. No if u said he had beef with Jews or something sure but Flex & Angie. That’s New York. shyt has no bearing outside the tri state.

no more sugarcoating. Nas don’t have fun or humor on his albums anymore. They too serious from beginning to end. He need to lossen up a bit. Hav some fukking fun

I don’t know WHAT albums you listening to Nas has had humor and “fun”’songs on every one of his Def Jam albums save for Distant Relatives.


Hip Hop Is Dead- Play On Playa/ Hustlers

Untitled- We Make The World Go Around

Life Is Good- Summer On Smash

Nasir- Bonjour

Lost Tapes 2- Jarreau Of Rap

 

[Cladyclad]

I don’t know WHAT albums you listening to Nas has had humor and “fun”’songs on every one of his Def Jam albums save for Distant Relatives.


Hip Hop Is Dead- Play On Playa/ Hustlers

Untitled- We Make The World Go Around

Life Is Good- Summer On Smash

Nasir- Bonjour

Lost Tapes 2- Jarreau Of Rap

Breh them records ass and boring

 

[Ty-Fife]

I don’t know WHAT albums you listening to Nas has had humor and “fun”’songs on every one of his Def Jam albums save for Distant Relatives.


Hip Hop Is Dead- Play On Playa/ Hustlers

Untitled- We Make The World Go Around

Life Is Good- Summer On Smash

Nasir- Bonjour

Lost Tapes 2- Jarreau Of Rap

I thought nikkas hated when he made tracks like these or Dr. Knockboot and You Owe Me.

 

[George's Dilemma]

I don’t know WHAT albums you listening to Nas has had humor and “fun”’songs on every one of his Def Jam albums save for Distant Relatives.


Hip Hop Is Dead- Play On Playa/ Hustlers

Untitled- We Make The World Go Around

Life Is Good- Summer On Smash

Nasir- Bonjour

Lost Tapes 2- Jarreau Of Rap

Those fun songs and humorous songs couldn't hold a candle to Jay's songs though. Plus Nas' image makes songs like Summer on Smash seem forced.

Hustlers always seemed like a throwaway Dre beat. Same with the joint on Rae's CBL2 project. Gangland episode beats.

Jarreau of rap while we might appreciate it, it went over so many peoples heads.

 

[kes929]

I will say that if Nas had rapped on some of the trash that Timbo supplies on blueprint 3 (especially ghetto techno) he never would’ve lived it down.

Never!!!! Cannnn you imagine if Nas made Off That with drake????? We would never heard the end of it.

 

[Ziggiy]

Those fun songs and humorous songs couldn't hold a candle to Jay's songs though. Plus Nas' image makes songs like Summer on Smash seem forced.

Hustlers always seemed like a throwaway Dre beat. Same with the joint on Rae's CBL2 project. Gangland episode beats.

Jarreau of rap while we might appreciate it, it went over so many peoples heads.

So first it was “Nas doesn’t make humorous songs.” Now its “Nas humorous songs don’t match up to Jay-Z’s”



I’m done with this particular conversation. Some of ya’ll wanna move the goal post to the point where now it simply bores me

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Never!!!! Cannnn you imagine if Nas made Off That with drake????? We would never heard the end of it.

I'm a pretty big Jay fan but I had this realization recently. Jay has absolutely gotten passes for making a few tracks that Nas would've been skewered for until the end of time on SOHH or TheColi.

Even a track like Show Me What You Got probably would've got Nas roasted on SOHH.

 

[George's Dilemma]

So first it was “Nas doesn’t make humorous songs.” Now its “Nas humorous songs don’t match up to Jay-Z’s”



I’m done with this particular conversation. Some of ya’ll wanna move the goal post to the point where now it simply bores me

I'm saying. I love Nas, but I don't listen to him for humor or chasing hits. It's more natural Jay.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I'm saying. I love Nas, but I don't listen to him for humor or chasing hits. It's more natural Jay.

I definitely think there's a certain expectation for Nas to be serious. or maybe he carries himself in a way where it seems like he should be.

I dunno. Jay definitely has a little more charisma, and I think humor may be a little more natural for him.

Nas has some slept on dry humor though.