Native Tongues have more classics than Wu-Tang, Deathrow or any other crew

[FreshAIG]

These albums are undeniable, no argument 5 mics from knowledgable Hip Hop Heads.

First three Tribe, 2 De La, 1 Jungle Brothers

Wu debut and second album, Only Built, Liquid Swords, SC.

Doggstyle, Chronic, All Eyez on Me.

Every thing else we're debating can be argued one way or the other.

 

[FreshAIG]

Bro, I love the Source in its prime but let's be real...they gave Shyne first album 2 mics and Lil Kim La Bella Mafia 4 mics. If you don't think Supreme Clientele and Liquid Swords are universally considered classics you're buggin.

Source was dead by time the Shyne album and the Lil Kim shyt bro. This was 1998 list of top 100 albums. I said LS and SC are classics they still fall short to Native Tongues joints though (6 for Wu and 8 for Native Tongues). Saying Wu has more the a 6 classics is a major reach. Saying Native Tongues has less than 8 is equally reach. That doesn't mean Native Tongues is better it just means they had more classics.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Source was dead by time the Shyne album and the Lil Kim shyt bro. This was 1998 list of top 100 albums. I said LS and SC are classics they still fall short to Native Tongues joints though (6 for Wu and 8 for Native Tongues). Saying Wu has more the a 6 classics is a major reach. Saying Native Tongues has less than 8 is equally reach. That doesn't mean Native Tongues is better it just means they had more classics.

They gave Jungle 5 when you claim they were dead. Bro, De La doesn't have 3 classics. Black Sheep album isn't a classic and Jungle Brothers album ain't a classic.

 

[FreshAIG]

They gave Jungle 5 when you claim they were dead. Bro, De La doesn't have 3 classics. Black Sheep album isn't a classic and Jungle Brothers album ain't a classic.

They did it after because they didn't exist when the album dropped. That's the only difference. And there's no argument against Jungle Brothers debut being a classic bro. I don't even know what the basis would be for it not to be. Find me some reviews that don't call it one. It's universally excepted as a classic. I've never heard anyone that's aware of the album say differently. Black Sheep you can argue either way, I agree but not the Jungle Brothers. No way. It's one of the most impactful and important albums of its generation.

 

[The Dust King]

Actually a good thread but i dont trust the premise since the OP is a known troll.

Wu wins but either way its close

Native tongues VS Wu-Tang

Tribe has 4 classics
Jungle brothers got 2
De la soul has 4
Blackstarr got 1
Mos def got 1
Talib got 1
Brand nubian has 2
Beatnuts got 2
Fu schnickens got 1
Queen has 2
Blacksheep got 1
Common got 4
Roots got 3

Wutang has 6
Meth has 1
Deck has 1
Odb has 1
Masta killa has 1
Gza has 1
Ghostface has 4
Raekwon has 2
Rza has 1
Killaarmy got 1
Sunz of man got 1
Killah priest got 3
Shabazz got 1
Gravediggaz got 1
Cappa got 1
Black market got 1
Thug Angels got 1
Force MDs got 2
Shyheim got 1
Bronze nazareth got 1
La the darkman got 1
Mathematics got 2

 

[ZEB WALTON]

maybe i just hang wit diff heads but in the 90s we listened to biggie wu mobb bcc .. de la/tribe maybe... JBs and BS..nah. then again maybe im too young

 

[FreshAIG]

Actually a good thread but i dont trust the premise since the OP is a known troll.

Wu wins but either way its close

Native tongues VS Wu-Tang

Tribe has 4 classics
Jungle brothers got 2
De la soul has 4
Blackstarr got 1
Mos def got 1
Talib got 1
Brand nubian has 2
Beatnuts got 2
Fu schnickens got 1
Queen has 2
Blacksheep got 1
Common got 4
Roots got 3

Wutang has 6
Meth has 1
Deck has 1
Odb has 1
Masta killa has 1
Gza has 1
Ghostface has 4
Raekwon has 2
Rza has 1
Killaarmy got 1
Sunz of man got 1
Killah priest got 3
Shabazz got 1
Gravediggaz got 1
Cappa got 1
Black market got 1
Thug Angels got 1
Force MDs got 2
Shyheim got 1
Bronze nazareth got 1
La the darkman got 1
Mathematics got 2

Lmao you gotta be joking with 80% of these albums calling them classic. Get a grip
My G

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Return to the 36 Chambers is a classic

Why do people ignore this album?

Ironman too

Ironman is influential as fukk, in addition to its incredible quality

 

[FreshAIG]

maybe i just hang wit diff heads but in the 90s we listened to biggie wu mobb bcc .. de la/tribe maybe... JBs and BS..nah. then again maybe im too young

You're talking about mid 90s, but then nikkas was off them. But late 80s-early 90s Native Tongue style ran rap. Everyone was extra Afro-centric and conscious. Then came the heavy gangster rap by 93.

 

[Billy Ocean]

They did it after because they didn't exist when the album dropped. That's the only difference. And there's no argument against Jungle Brothers debut being a classic bro. I don't even know what the basis would be for it not to be. Find me some reviews that don't call it one. It's universally excepted as a classic. I've never heard anyone that's aware of the album say differently. Black Sheep you can argue either way, I agree but not the Jungle Brothers. No way.

If Jungle Brothers debut a classic then I'm calling Ironman, Tical and Return of the 36 Chambers classic also. Because those are really dope albums, by MCs more recognized and praised by Jungle Brothers. That's 36, Forever, Tical, Return of the 36, Linx, Liquid, and Ironman for Wu.

 

[The Dust King]

Lmao you gotta be joking with 80% of these albums calling them classic. Get a grip
My G

im not joking. when you have the ability to create one classic you can do it again.

just because i called cappa first album classic dont mean its better than illmatic, i dont understand yall reasoning

this is me 100%. ask about the album ill tell you why its a classic.

sometimes classics get overlooked and also they set precedents and or carry the sound over a generation

classics are albums that when i go back and listen to them i dont have to skip a track

imo killa army contains the weakest criteria for me to call it a classic but its impact was classic

this is still a great thread, i welcome your criticism as well as anyone elses

 

[FreshAIG]

Those aren't at all classics quality wise or impact. Just because they're more praised rappers doesn't mean their music was classic. That's not the criteria. Straight Out the Jungle had an impact that those other albums just didn't. Quality is subjective but importance isn't.


"To conclude, there's no overestimating the importance of this album. As an innovative landmark in rap album history, it's practically on the same level as "Critical Beatdown" and "Criminal Minded." As a 1988 album, it's part of the outstanding class of '88 ("Critical Beatdown," "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back," "Long Live the Kane," "Follow the Leader, "By All Means Necessary," "Straight Outta Compton," "Power," "In Full Gear," "The Great Adventures of Slick Rick"...)

To get an idea of what the Jungle Brothers were on, consider the unreleased track "In Time," available on the excellent 2010 Traffic Entertainment reissue of "Straight Out the Jungle." Likely the original track behind the famous "Promo" (originally an "On the Run" b-side) that got heads excited for the A Tribe Called Quest debut, "In Time" features Q-Tip as well, the trio looking foward to a brighter future. But it's Mike G who in retrospect steals the show with his opening: "In time this rhyme will be more than just a fantasy / A black man will be the man to claim presidency.""

Jungle Brothers :: Straight Out the Jungle :: Idlers/Warlock

If Jungle Brothers debut a classic then I'm calling Ironman, Tical and Return of the 36 Chambers classic also. Because those are really dope albums, by MCs more recognized and praised by Jungle Brothers. That's 36, Forever, Tical, Return of the 36, Linx, Liquid, and Ironman for Wu.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

If Jungle Brothers debut a classic then I'm calling Ironman, Tical and Return of the 36 Chambers classic also. Because those are really dope albums, by MCs more recognized and praised by Jungle Brothers. That's 36, Forever, Tical, Return of the 36, Linx, Liquid, and Ironman for Wu.

Those are classics regardless

 

[Danie84]

I agree with @mobbinfms

...I House You is the only Jungle Bros record I liked

For me Wu 93-97 discography>>> but a fair argument can be made for Death Row & Tribe

 

[Billy Ocean]

Those aren't at all classics quality wise or impact. Just because they're more praised rappers doesn't mean their music was classic. That's not the criteria. Straight Out the Jungle had an impact that those other albums just didn't. Quality is subjective but importance isn't.


"To conclude, there's no overestimating the importance of this album. As an innovative landmark in rap album history, it's practically on the same level as "Critical Beatdown" and "Criminal Minded." As a 1988 album, it's part of the outstanding class of '88 ("Critical Beatdown," "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back," "Long Live the Kane," "Follow the Leader, "By All Means Necessary," "Straight Outta Compton," "Power," "In Full Gear," "The Great Adventures of Slick Rick"...)

To get an idea of what the Jungle Brothers were on, consider the unreleased track "In Time," available on the excellent 2010 Traffic Entertainment reissue of "Straight Out the Jungle." Likely the original track behind the famous "Promo" (originally an "On the Run" b-side) that got heads excited for the A Tribe Called Quest debut, "In Time" features Q-Tip as well, the trio looking foward to a brighter future. But it's Mike G who in retrospect steals the show with his opening: "In time this rhyme will be more than just a fantasy / A black man will be the man to claim presidency.""

Jungle Brothers :: Straight Out the Jungle :: Idlers/Warlock

Jungle Brothers album not a classic. All 3 of those Wu albums I mentioned are just as dope or better PLUS had more recognized tracks (All That I Got Is You, All I Need, Brooklyn Zoo, Shimmy Shimmy...) and were debut albums from legendary rappers. If Jungle got a classic, those 3 are classic.