I dont know anything about sky fathers but I'll be damned to believe I'm a coded videogame character just because I finished playing The Last of Us on PS4
NDT finally coming around on simulation theory?
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you replied to my replying to the person who did say it. So you was cosigning it. Also do not reply to my comments with something not related to the converstation at had. That derails my converstation.
dont respond to me nikka if you wanna troll.
BelowTheMasonDixon
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Even if you do disagree with the said theory, I think that's a bit of a simplistic way of looking at it.
And I know you probably don't play the sims but you can actually give them free will and not touch the controller.
BelowTheMasonDixon
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Uh, I'm not trolling breh. I'm serious, I'm not the scientific proof guy. Hell I've stated like a trillion times here I"m a deist.
AlainLocke
Banned
I think human beings are bothered that are they nature's orphans.
We are too intelligent for own good since we can actually ponder our existence. We are unable to communicate with any other life form on our own intellectual level.
So we create the our own fathers and mothers. We create gods, beings that act just like us...but they are all powerful. Are create this ancient alien theory. Beings who are just like us...but they are so intelligent that they got warp drive.
Now we have super intelligent ancestors that have created a simulation. Which is probably the best theory of human origin yet because it combines all of Western ideals.
The idea of a past present and future and progression...
The idea of science increasing the quality of our lives and expansion of our knowledge...
And the idea of a creator that is just like us...
And we are willing to take this magnificent leaps in logic to find a creator...
The idea of randomness and the idea of no fate and no destiny bothers us...especially us Westerners because our entire philosophy is based on a past present and future, progress and some sort of destiny.
It doesn't surprise that Elon Musk would believe in simulation theory...
Nieztche said God is dead on towards the middle to tail end of the Enlightenment
But God is alive in well, now it's just some computer being or some super intelligent descendant of human beings...
The idea of a creator, the ideal life form will probably never die.
Also...do you guys that believe in simulation...know how evil the simulators would have to be...
They would have to be super fukking evil.
Human beings have a weird obsession with obscenely inhuman creator beings...
We are too intelligent for own good since we can actually ponder our existence. We are unable to communicate with any other life form on our own intellectual level.
So we create the our own fathers and mothers. We create gods, beings that act just like us...but they are all powerful. Are create this ancient alien theory. Beings who are just like us...but they are so intelligent that they got warp drive.
Now we have super intelligent ancestors that have created a simulation. Which is probably the best theory of human origin yet because it combines all of Western ideals.
The idea of a past present and future and progression...
The idea of science increasing the quality of our lives and expansion of our knowledge...
And the idea of a creator that is just like us...
And we are willing to take this magnificent leaps in logic to find a creator...
The idea of randomness and the idea of no fate and no destiny bothers us...especially us Westerners because our entire philosophy is based on a past present and future, progress and some sort of destiny.
It doesn't surprise that Elon Musk would believe in simulation theory...
Nieztche said God is dead on towards the middle to tail end of the Enlightenment
But God is alive in well, now it's just some computer being or some super intelligent descendant of human beings...
The idea of a creator, the ideal life form will probably never die.
Also...do you guys that believe in simulation...know how evil the simulators would have to be...
They would have to be super fukking evil.
Human beings have a weird obsession with obscenely inhuman creator beings...
I appreciate the response. It's a long read lol
I'll try to address your concerns (on the theory) completely NOT-personally, if you're willing to listen with an open mind. Fair?
"not true because the characters in these worlds can no live life without your direction"
this is untrue. You can simulate a madden game. You can simulate a madden season. And by all accounts if the designers WANTED you to be able to simulate NFL results forever and just be an outside observer, they could make that easily possible. The only limitations here are your own attention span (you being ambiguous, not you personally) AND your electricity
"Not only that a lot of these games have invisable walls that a character in a game can not go past."
Scientists have identified our "observable universe" and no one knows what is outside of it. Wouldn't this be considered the same "invisible wall" you are speaking of?
"Videogames are not actual simulations as there is the problem of invisable walls, clipping, draw distance, bad textures, restarting after dying from a fail attemp that would give away the fact that they are a game. "
These exist in real life as well. There are many "glitches" in human DNA, there are brain defects and genome defects. There are imperfections in nature, animals that are anomalies, etc. There are black holes where time actually reacts differently than outside of them.
Now, restarting after a failed attempt gives credence to the differentiation between "our lives" and "our games" but this is because we created the games for people to play them more than once from the same perspective. IF our lives (notice if) and our world is a simulation, it may not meant to be played as a "single player" experience. It could be a simulation to watch "how a people" react. Are there are video games that play like this. Civilization, Forges of Empires, etc. etc. none of those games play out as a "single player experience" they play out as a simulation of "people over time" which our simulation could classify as well.
"They also can't think for themselves and do not live after you turn off the videogame"
Now, this is the BEST argument to look at. video games cannot think for themselves. Ride with me here for a second with a really open mind. So currently we cannot create beings that can perform at OUR highest level (conscious thought) but that doesn't mean that there aren't beings with a higher "highest level" than ours who couldn't have created us.
Let's say there are beings that have 3 levels (decision making based on patterns, conscious and rational thoughts, and the third level is, fukk it, mind reading)
they've (beings with three levels, decision making, conscious thoughts, and mind reading) created us... we have levels 1-2 (decision making based on patterns, conscious and rational thoughts)
We've created video games. Video games only have level 1 (decision making based on patterns)
In THEORY, just like the sims "video game people" are missing our highest level (conscious and rational thoughts), we could be missing the highest level of our creators (mind reading). We could be missing out on a level of cognition that doesn't exist in our plane of existence, but that actually does exist in the plane of existence above ours.
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The true issue is this: Simulation theory is NO different than any other creationist theory other than it leaves for the fact that we are one of many creations from our "God" or "ancestor beings" or "creators". There is no difference between the simulation theory and Christianity (as far as a theory as to "how we got here"...not all of the other stuff after we've been here) other than the simulation theory says that the "God" or "Gods" or whatever that actually created us, possibly created a zillion different versions rather than one. Our world and existence and universe is unique to us, but it doesn't make it steadfast the ONLY possibility.
Also you have to consider that the SIMS are designed a certain way. they need to be interacted with. that's how they’re programmed
You're telling me you don't think humans could evolve past our current state? Also the missle crisis was averted . Why wouldn't we be able to do it again ?
The sims is a game. Whose to say if it was designed different they wouldn't be self sufficient ?
BelowTheMasonDixon
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Why do you say they would have to be evil?
BelowTheMasonDixon
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Wouldn't be much of a game if the Sims didn't really need the creator.
AlainLocke
Banned
Uh I am saying that is super improbable that human beings evolve to the point that we would make simulations of past human beings and these simulations are so well tuned that they would the simulation of billions of years, billions of people, evolution and actual dinosaurs fossils...
Human beings have existed 6 million years, modern human beings only been around 200,000...our universe has existed for 6 billion...
Now imagine how long it would take and then imagine the probability of our existence and then imagine the probability that we are in simulation created by our descendants sometime in the future...
Then imagine how evil our descendants would have to be, which goes against the trend of...the more intelligent we get...the more humane we get..
AlainLocke
Banned
So you think it isn't cruel...to simulate Trans Atlantic Slave Trade, WW1, WW2, Colonialism, Neo-Colonialism, Civil Wars and Genocide...
Do you know how many human beings have died...just off of that alone...
Then you would have to take into account chronic illnesses and acute illness
It would mean our simulators are evil and insanely stupid...cause we can actual feel pain