Neil DeGrasse Tyson on God's Existence

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Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven
of course god exist....if you dont believe in god what the fukk do u even have to live for?
you can believe in life after death without believing that a single entity controls and shapes all life


even before i heard this, i thought about the fact that no one has ever spoken to god... so at what point did god tell us that he is all powerful, all knowing, and can control everything? we made that shyt up ourselves

another thing... how do we know we are all not just connected through our energy or soul... and that the sum of all that isn't "god" per say.. and not some being sitting up there looking down and controlling


but this is what really got me to thinking.. a teacher once asked, how can we have an all knowing god AND free will

if god KNOWS you are going to die on october 3rd at 458pm in a car crash in alabama... then do you really have the free will to choose to go to hawaii from october 1st-10th? do you really have the free will to say "hey i'm not driving anywhere today" do you really have the free will to go to bed at 450pm and wake up at 6pm that day?

no you wouldn't... god would already know your fate, so you are already predestined to make those choices... so either god doesn't know everything or we don't have any control over our lives



just too much man.... way too much
 
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Traits such as "kindness" and "sweetness" don't atone for our sins as human beings. Accepting Christ and following his way are the only antidote to our sinful nature. :manny:

She was a devout Christian on top of all those admirable traits. So what justification is left then? What? maybe she "fell out of line" once, perhaps twice and thus received the ultimate punishment for it unlike a person who isn't and never has been a believer still walking around killing and stealing and raping all willy nilly?
 

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When my sister in law; the kindest, sweetest, most loving and generous person I've ever known unexpectedly passed last year, my ma was like " remember during the wake how her dad said that she could sometimes be stubborn like her mama?" My ma more or less used this as a justification for God punishing her with death. Her way of rationalizing her belief with something that makes no sense.

shyt like this pisses me off greatly.
I agree with you shyt is silly. Then when you ask why bad things happen to innocent or good people the other shyt you will get is the free will talk so its like does god interfere or not lol.
 

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Natural disasters and people getting killed aren't evidence of God's non-existence. These things are even mentioned in the Bible. Bad things happen on Earth when humans fall out of line with God. :yeshrug:
he didn't say that... pay attention

he said if all those things are going on, then he's not all powerful OR he's not all good.. how is killing TRILLIONS of people over the course of history, through natural disasters and horrible painful terrible diseases, a GOOD thing

they way he explained it here you can tell thats not what he truly feels, most of the bad things that happen or have happened is due to humans being dumb and he knows it, but i get that he has to hold up his rep and gimmick.

again... nothing he explained was caused by humans
 

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And for the hundredth time, a detailed universe is not evidence of intelligent design. People who make this claim always ignore the ugly/impractical designs in the universe. Like how we have appendices, organs that serve no purpose but can succumb to life threatening diseases. This is the argument from incredulity, another logical fallacy
 

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That dumb cac bytch interrupting Tyson when he's trying to answer her fukking question

Off with her head :camby:
 

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These two videos:




Also look up Athene's theory of everything:
A Simple Click - LogicWiki


Brains think, come up with thoughts, etc. nearly everything is in your head and when you die no more thoughts and beliefs.

What is most likely to happen when you die? What had happened before you were born? It's most likely that. No brain before and no brain after. That place you were in 14.5 billion years before you became aware and you had 80 years of consciousness to enjoy, you're probably going back. The question really is how did you spend it? You're going to be at rest/peace again just like before you were born. Life is really a gift.

You're practically the Big Bang in many ways. All those coincidences that lead to you and surround you.

I pray there's a Heaven, but it's difficult to dive in fully. In many ways, this is Heaven. You can sit and enjoy it now if you want, your choice. If you're waiting for happiness later, you're putting off your full happiness right now. Being aware of what you have right now and the unconditional love you receive and give due to these coincidences can be fully appreciated right now.

Again that business man vs fisherman story:


Skip to the end for cliff notes:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-simple-explanation-of-Nietzsches-ideas-and-philosophy

Nietzsche rocks.

This is a long answer, because there is so much about him that rocks.

Go get some coffee and come back.

Let’s start here:

Throughout the longest period of human history…the value or non-value of an action was inferred from its consequences; the action itself was not taken into consideration.

-Beyond Good and Evil

He noticed that, until recently (in mankind’s existence), actions were judged by what resulted from them. If you were trying to help your friend, but ended up making his situation worse, the old school would judge you negatively. He called this the “pre-moral” period of mankind.

Then:

In the last ten thousand years, on the other hand, on certain large portions of the earth, one has gradually got so far, that one no longer lets the consequences of an action, but its origin, decide with regard to its worth…

-Page 24

So, he now calls this the “moral period” of mankind.

This “origin” or “intention” of an action is indoctrinated into people as being more important than its consequences. The same act of trying to help your friend now is supported, even if it makes his situation worse, because your intentions were “good.”

But, morals by themselves were not good enough to convince everyone, he noted. It didn’t carry enough weight for people to be told what good and bad were—they needed more.

Insert religion:

…during the moral epoch of mankind, they sacrificed to their God the strongest the strongest instincts they possessed, their “nature”…

-Page 39

Nietzsche argued that morals were then assigned to an omnipotent, omniscient God. God was routinely justified to exist, and that there was a “truth” to morals that we all must abide by—lest be struck down by the all-powerful God.

A very large subset of society believed what he argued was a lie: morals. Morals were made up by a “master class,” or people who were consciously making informed decisions, to influence a “slave class,” or people who were unconsciously following the herd.

The master class would always have control over the slave class because they made decisions based on facts, and things they could observe with their own eyes. The slave class would constantly be searching for “freedom,” but they would do so at their own peril—unaware that they had no idea how to adequately define “freedom.”

Their true freedom might have been to be their animal instinct: “the Will to Power,” as Nietzsche put it. However, religion and morals made acting as an animal extremely taboo (‘we aren’t animals, we’re people’). As such, the slave class would never have their freedom as long as they continued to be controlled by the master class:

You want, if possible, to do away with suffering; and we?—it really seems that we would rather have it increased and worse than it has ever been! Well-being, as you understand it—is certainly not a goal; it seems to us an end; a condition which at once renders man ludicrous and contemptible—and makes his destruction desirable!

-Page 93

He goes on further describing aspects of the slave class, as such:

The vain person rejoices over everygood opinion which he hears about himself (quite apart of the point of view of its usefulness, and equally regardless of its truth or falsehood).

-Page 130

In other words, the master class made up these things called “good and evil,” which can’t be shown to exist, and then they promote good and denounce evil to the slave class. In this way, the slave class has completely missed the point: their actions are no longer judged by what happens as a result—rather by how others view them as good or evil men (“at least I did the right thing”).

It is noted, then, that reason flies out the window—people (the slave class) no longer use reasons to make decisions, they use morals.

There is a lot more that Nietzsche talks about (see: eternal recurrence), but this is his chief work—frankly rather genius considering the influences around him at the time he wrote it.

What can we learn from Nietzsche?

One thing Nietzsche acknowledged is that anybody who is in the slave class can “decide” to be in the master class whenever they want to. If you feel yourself subject to other people trying to put you in a category, a box, or a suppressed state of mind, you can simply decide you want to ignore them and become a member of the master class.

In other words, we are all capable of making our own decisions, but the vast majority of us do not do so. Most of us continue to let other people influence us based on their opinions of us, which are entirely inconsequential with regards to our life. Being a “good” or “bad” person has nothing to do with getting whatever we want, but we are made to believe it because of society’s dogmatic definitions, Nietzsche says.

It is the fear of insecure people which rubs off on us, to make us behave in a way that they would like us to behave. That’s what I’m saying. Few realizations are more useful in this life.

Even further, we can notice that, likely, without religion, society couldn’t have become what it is today. After all, compared to evolution, morals are a very new thing that mankind invented to suppress the instincts which are dangerous to society like: adultery, murder, rape, stealing, etc. Society is constantly reminding other people to “be good to each other,” and really bad shyt still happens.

These instincts are naturally in us, and morals were a way to keep them out of the way of a functioning society. By having people give in to the almighty God, it made them more fearful than ever. You fear man slightly, you fear an omnipotent, omniscient God infinitely.

In my opinion, Nietzsche is easily in the top 5 philosophers of all time. Not everything he says is completely correct (I have good reasons to disprove eternal recurrence), but he is one of the most truly logical philosophers I have ever read.

Awesome reply!
 

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What do you believe created the universe then ? The Big Bang Theory based on particle physics ? :pachaha:
i have no fukking clue, and im OK with that :yeshrug:

i mean religious fools dont have to explain how god got here, its "he was always just here". why cant i feel like that about the universe? i dont give a fukk how it got here :heh: i have bills to pay n shyt
 

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Fake science it has no practical application except for entertainment purposes. I'm open to any other perspectives but from my experience it's not a real science. Plus I think he's spent more time on jimmy Fallon than in a lab.
Hes the director of the Hayden PLanetarium


...and astrophysics is the reason some of y'all know the pop culture facts about the universe you do now
 

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His opinion on this particular subject is no more valid than anyone else's. He's a scientist and deals exclusively in the material realm. There never was nor will there ever be empirical evidence for spiritual phenomena.
Except, your god claims to interact with the material world :sas1:

Want us to measure that impact? :sas2:
 

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She was a devout Christian on top of all those admirable traits. So what justification is left then? What? maybe she "fell out of line" once, perhaps twice and thus received the ultimate punishment for it unlike a person who isn't and never has been a believer still walking around killing and stealing and raping all willy nilly?
my best friend died a couple years ago, and his mom was a devout christian before that. after that happened, she told me she was like fukk all that, and even if god's real, and that was his plan then fukk him anyway

which i found pretty reasonable :ehh:
 
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