Neil deGrasse Tyson Talks about Being Black

[bigDeeOT]

The vitriol I have aimed at c00ns like @bigDeeOT is they suggest genetic inferiority within my people. As if socioeconomic conditions don't result in the similar outcome for any race. Ignoring the fact that half the US is filled with methed out slums full of white trash. The nerve of these c00ns, these Yaqubs who trade in labcoats for keyboards.

Socioeconomic conditions does play a role.

Listen dude I believe if someone is born in a bad environment, it will negatively affect their life chances. It presents a huge barrier to success compared to people who grew up in wealth.

The problem with the black community is we aren't doing enough to provide these kids with positive influences. We aren't doing enough to bring our people out of poverty. Everything is the white man's fault.

Kobe Bryant and Pharrell have denounced that kind of lunacy so they are the way of the future.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Kobe Bryant and Pharrell have denounced that kind of lunacy so they are the way of the future.

So, the only two examples that you could think of for 'Black' people to emulate in order to 'bring us out of poverty' are an athlete and an entertainer.

 

[Kritic]

Neil talking reminds me of the scene in Malcolm X with him and his elementary school teacher.



Figures of authority telling impressionable children they ain't shyt, yet 'enlightened' folks like @bigDeeOT trying to tell us that they should have all the knowledge in the world and make it in spite of that. And if they don't it's their fault and a result of their genetic inferiority.

Let me be clear that the line is drawn in the sand. You either recognize our greatness and work on inspiring that or you just the enemy. See you on the other side of the line, friend.

 

[Serious]

At the end of the day, malcom x made it big in spite of racism.
So did neil degrasse tyson

 

[Serious]

Socioeconomic conditions does play a role.

Listen dude I believe if someone is born in a bad environment, it will negatively affect their life chances. It presents a huge barrier to success compared to people who grew up in wealth.

The problem with the black community is we aren't doing enough to provide these kids with positive influences. We aren't doing enough to bring our people out of poverty. Everything is the white man's fault.

Kobe Bryant and Pharrell have denounced that kind of lunacy so they are the way of the future.

 

[Liu Kang]

I don't see your argument.

It's pretty clear.
Bad living conditions negatively impacts a child's future regardless of his complexion. Growing in the projects with little to no role models can not (or barely) produce people like NDT. The latter grew up in an household with two enlightened parents which allowed him to have more than a headstart compared to other kids like him (in short, black young harlemites). And it's the same for white people who grow up in poor areas and encounter barriers (different from minority kids obviously but still barriers) preventing them to succeed in life.

His point was to oppose people saying "Black people don't do enough" as if the main reason of black people not succeeding enough was their mind-state forgetting that most poor / bad environments have a majority of minorities unfortunately leading them to be less successful. What he meant was to look a little deeper in the picture and search further for causes. Obviously, some black people don't do enough, but generalizing this idea is completely ignoring multiple factors that influence poverty outside of some supposedly lazy state of mind :
- One parent-household
- Faulty education
- Unemployment
- Low income
- Ethnicity
- ...

Good role models help. But that will never be as effective as good growing/living conditions.

[STUDY] Poverty rate in the US : Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Only to factually state that in 2010, more than 25% Black and Hispanic Americans lived in poverty while less than 15% of White and Asian Americans did. It doesn't explain it all, but it greatly explains why is it hard to overcome a difficult childhood.

 

[MostReal]

the answer was just...

You know what the funny thing about his response is though? He claims to have undergone discrimination and faced many roadblocks throughout his life right? Well guess what, look where he's at now? He made it to the top of the world, in SPITE of living in an age of racism and "white supremacy."

how can anyone who believes in Evolution not acknowledge that socioeconomic conditions affect the outcomes of people in plight because of those circumstances.

I'm sorry dude but you are not bright at all

 

[tmonster]

so that begs the question...is it race or culture that is the real problem (of black people)?
Because he clearly succeeded because of his work ethic, he's smart, and his parents supported him...regardless of the "white power structure" folks love to talk about.

just how clear is that to you? is it as clear as "folks" loving to talk about white power structure?
:zfg:

 

[NZA]

when people talk about black kids growing up in a rough environment, they never mention cacs and c00ns as a part of the environment. tyson informs us that authority figures tried to send him on a path to failure when they discovered his ambitions. that is huge. not everybody has educated parents or resilient personalities in their childhood. certainly not everybody gets to meet carl sagan in their teens. in general, kids go with the flow, which is why parents with resources try to give their kids the best educations and exposure to enlightening experiences and mentorship, but when we see kids who have none of that, we simply ascribe their failure to pathology. it's the easy way out, it's the self congratulatory way out, and it's racist.

 

[tmonster]

when people talk about black kids growing up in a rough environment, they never mention cacs and c00ns as a part of the environment. tyson informs us that authority figures tried to send him on a path to failure when they discovered his ambitions. that is huge. not everybody has educated parents or resilient personalities in their childhood. certainly not everybody gets to meet carl sagan in their teens. in general, kids go with the flow, which is why parents with resources try to give their kids the best educations and exposure to enlightening experiences and mentorship, but when we see kids who have none of that, we simply ascribe their failure to pathology. it's the easy way out, it's the self congratulatory way out, and it's racist.

You must spread reputation to at least 40 other user(s) before you can give reputation to NZA again.
I keep trying to rep the same damn 10-12 people, I need to work the room and talk to more brehs:zfg:

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

You must spread reputation to at least 40 other user(s) before you can give reputation to NZA again.
I keep trying to rep the same damn 10-12 people, I need to work the room and talk to more brehs:zfg:

It's all good. I gave him one for ya

 

[Poitier]

It's pretty clear.
Bad living conditions negatively impacts a child's future regardless of his complexion. Growing in the projects with little to no role models can not (or barely) produce people like NDT. The latter grew up in an household with two enlightened parents which allowed him to have more than a headstart compared to other kids like him (in short, black young harlemites). And it's the same for white people who grow up in poor areas and encounter barriers (different from minority kids obviously but still barriers) preventing them to succeed in life.

His point was to oppose people saying "Black people don't do enough" as if the main reason of black people not succeeding enough was their mind-state forgetting that most poor / bad environments have a majority of minorities unfortunately leading them to be less successful. What he meant was to look a little deeper in the picture and search further for causes. Obviously, some black people don't do enough, but generalizing this idea is completely ignoring multiple factors that influence poverty outside of some supposedly lazy state of mind :
- One parent-household
- Faulty education
- Unemployment
- Low income
- Ethnicity
- ...

Good role models help. But that will never be as effective as good growing/living conditions.

[STUDY] Poverty rate in the US : Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Only to factually state that in 2010, more than 25% Black and Hispanic Americans lived in poverty while less than 15% of White and Asian Americans did. It doesn't explain it all, but it greatly explains why is it hard to overcome a difficult childhood.

when people talk about black kids growing up in a rough environment, they never mention cacs and c00ns as a part of the environment. tyson informs us that authority figures tried to send him on a path to failure when they discovered his ambitions. that is huge. not everybody has educated parents or resilient personalities in their childhood. certainly not everybody gets to meet carl sagan in their teens. in general, kids go with the flow, which is why parents with resources try to give their kids the best educations and exposure to enlightening experiences and mentorship, but when we see kids who have none of that, we simply ascribe their failure to pathology. it's the easy way out, it's the self congratulatory way out, and it's racist.

So why are Blacks who come from middle and upperclass households underperforming?

How are FOB Asians from the underclass achieving?

Face it, its more cultural than environment or economic level, though they play a part.

 

[Kritic]

just how clear is that to you? is it as clear as "folks" loving to talk about white power structure?
:zfg:

white racist power structure is justified. hard work and dedication should still be able to overcome it

:bigteeodsmiley:

 

[jilla82]

It's pretty clear.
Bad living conditions negatively impacts a child's future regardless of his complexion. Growing in the projects with little to no role models can not (or barely) produce people like NDT. The latter grew up in an household with two enlightened parents which allowed him to have more than a headstart compared to other kids like him (in short, black young harlemites). And it's the same for white people who grow up in poor areas and encounter barriers (different from minority kids obviously but still barriers) preventing them to succeed in life.

His point was to oppose people saying "Black people don't do enough" as if the main reason of black people not succeeding enough was their mind-state forgetting that most poor / bad environments have a majority of minorities unfortunately leading them to be less successful. What he meant was to look a little deeper in the picture and search further for causes. Obviously, some black people don't do enough, but generalizing this idea is completely ignoring multiple factors that influence poverty outside of some supposedly lazy state of mind :
- One parent-household
- Faulty education
- Unemployment
- Low income
- Ethnicity
- ...

Good role models help. But that will never be as effective as good growing/living conditions.

[STUDY] Poverty rate in the US : Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Only to factually state that in 2010, more than 25% Black and Hispanic Americans lived in poverty while less than 15% of White and Asian Americans did. It doesn't explain it all, but it greatly explains why is it hard to overcome a difficult childhood.

you pretty much just made my point though. I see a lot of people say the "white power structure" is the reason blacks are where they are.
But its simply environment.
Its the same song w/ poor people in urban environments all over the world, throughout time, no matter the race.

Instead of focusing on white folks (which does no good, because there are no laws to change for people not going to jail), how about we focus on the family structure...harsher laws for those committing violent crimes so the people that want to do good can actually breathe, promote self education (you can learn anything on the net), basic financial education, and entrepreneurship.

Most of the conversations I read on sites like this are one big circle jerk....dont really get to the heart of the problems, and only talking about the past.

 

[Serious]

.harsher laws for those committing violent crimes so the people that want to do good can actually breathe, promote self education (you can learn anything on the net), basic financial education, and entrepreneurship.

I'd agree but violent crimes aren't the reason why minorities tend to be disproportionately disenfranchised, labeled with felonies....

The drug laws are
@ciroq drobama


When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time