Nelly: Chief Keef Made Mistake With Record Deal

[Rominati]

If 50 was signed to a 360 though Interscope would have got a healthy piece of that Vitamin Water deal. They would'ge took a nice piece of Dre's Beats too. The concept of a 360 deal is: we invested money, time, and resources into making you famous, so therefore all of your success is a byproduct of our efforts, so PAY UP!

Nope,

And before I continue, are you sure you know what 360 deals actually entails? Not jus what you've seen on message boards n Youtube?

 

[Capitol]

As far as the thread, its all about what type of artist you trying to be ya feel me? Nelly was dead on with Cheif Keef, he is the type of artist that is better off indie.


However when it comes to cats like Kanye, Or Pharrell, or Drake, or even 2chainz. Where you can be known for and branch out to things more that jus music. A major is the only way to go.

Think of it like this. Cats like 50 cent and Dr.Dre made more money off business outside of industry in one year, than accumulated "masters" and "publishing" checks over their whole music career.



Edit: Im pretty sure if Nelly could go back in time to when he was jus starting out, he would still tell him self to sign to a major

Why

 

[mortuus est]

Yessir

im about to make me hella money on these skreets

 

[Rominati]

im about to make me hella money on these skreets

Dont listen to him man, ol boy aint in the industry or knows what he is talking about


If you make a beat in ya house and you sell it a rapper, and he blows, if you are not signed to a publishing company you aint gonna be getting shyt. The music industry is cold as fukk, you need representation or they gonna eat you up like a guppy.


That is why Young Chop signed with Warner quickly when Keef started blowing. If he didnt, I doubt he would of saw any money off his beats.

https://twitter.com/youngchopbeatz


Edit: Same thing with 40 signing to HHSince97 production company. If you are trying to get in the game, I suggest you just hollaring at a entertainment lawyer. Dont take anything you read on the internet as fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_Hop_Since_1978

 

[McSpacey]

Nope,

And before I continue, are you sure you know what 360 deals actually entails? Not jus what you've seen on message boards n Youtube?

I'm no expert, but I believe I understand the basics..

360 means they own your Publishing, Masters, Touring, Merchandise, and even your Likeness. They own everything 360 degrees around aka they own the whole pie and cut you a slice every now and then. If they own your Likeness that means if a artist stamps their name on a product (like 50 Cent and Dr Dre did) the label reserves the right to take a percentage of that deal. Basically they are the middle-men in EVERY transaction even if they didn't directly cause it to happen because the'yre claim is by them even marketing and promoting you they essentially caused it to happen whether they were hands on in that particular situation or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong though because learning the behind the scenes stuff is a interest of mine..

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

He could've went independent and not sign to Interscope and probably do 50,000 locally/regionally alone and wound up with more money in his own pocket

Never understood why these nikkas sign to these labels.

it's like you forget that some rappers sign to majors solely for the distribution that comes with it... like 8Ball and MJG did with Bad Boy.


being independent isn't always the way to go....especially when you lack the means/experience to be truly self sufficient in such a capacity.

y'all glamorize being an independent artist way too much.

 

[Rominati]

it's like you forget that some rappers sign to majors solely for the distribution that comes with it... like 8Ball and MJG did with Bad Boy.


being independent isn't always the way to go....especially when you lack the means/experience to be truly self sufficient in such a capacity.

y'all glamorize being an independent artist way too much.

These nikkas talking like that shyt is easy. Even with a 360 deal, hypothetically speaking lets say the label takes a 10% piece of your touring and merchandise.


Ya dumb nikkas, if ya wasnt signed to a major, how would ya even fund your TOUR n PRODUCE merchandise?


You gon buy your own tour bus?, hire your own driver? Book all those hotel spots? And holla at a clothing company to make your shirts and stuff all by yaself on ya own dime? All the while paying for insurance at these large venus?


I used to party promote, insurance at a small club alone is like $10,000 lol


Some of ya need to be realistic with this shyt b lol

 

[McSpacey]

Dont listen to him man, ol boy aint in the industry or knows what he is talking about

If you make a beat in ya house and you sell it a rapper, and he blows, if you are not signed to a publishing company you aint gonna be getting shyt. The music industry is cold as fukk, you need representation or you they gonna eat you up like a guppy.

That is why Young Chop signed with Warner quickly when Keef started blowing. If he didnt, I doubt he would of saw any money off his beats.

https://twitter.com/youngchopbeatz

Edit: Same thing with 40 signing to HHSince97 production company. If you are trying to get in the game, I suggest you just hollaring at a entertainment lawyer. Dont take anything you read on the internet as fact.

Hip Hop Since 1978 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Breh, he said if he "record a song" not if he creates a beat.. What are you talking about selling beats for? That's a whole different arrangement. Are you sure I'm the one who doesn't know what he is talking about?

 

[Rominati]

Breh, he said if he "record a song" not if he creates a beat.. What are you talking about selling beats for? That's a whole different arrangement. Are you sure I'm the one who doesn't know what he is talking about?

The rules still apply b. Lets say he records a song with a sample. What he gon do when them old cacs hit him with a law suit?


Unless you think you jus gon be a megastar by cranking out bangas messin with Fruity Loops from ya mommas basement, you gotta think about the liablities of having a music career. Jus even getting a proper radio mix and master cost like 2gs b. Where is all this money gonna come from?

 

[McSpacey]

These nikkas talking like that shyt is easy. Even with a 360 deal, hypothetically speaking lets say the label takes a 10% piece of your touring and merchandise.


Ya dumb nikkas, if ya wasnt signed to a major, how would ya even fund your TOUR n PRODUCE merchandise?


You gon buy your own tour bus?, hire your own driver? Book all those hotel spots? And holla at a clothing company to make your shirts and stuff all by yaself on ya own dime? All the while paying for insurance at these large venus?


I used to party promote, insurance at a small club alone is like $10,000 lol


Some of ya need to be realistic with this shyt b lol

I already stated in this very same thread that I understand Keef's decision because of those same reason's so what you're saying isn't new. However all the shyt you're saying is very hard to do interdependently, but it isn't impossible. Tech 9 is a example of that.

 

[CrimsonTider]

but that's the thing...what would u rather?...all the fame?..or taking a HIGH risk on not getting the money u deserve?..I mean the fame does lead to outside opportunities...but them 360 deals is rapin those...what Nelly said..was smart as fukk...

Nobody rapping to push a Rav4

 

[spliz]

Nobody rapping to push a Rav4

so basically what u sayin is the money is more important right?...ok then...u made my point...if u sign to a label there is a MUCH HIGHER risk u wont get what u deserve and u will actually owe money in the long run...

 

[Shadow King]

First, was Keef really independent when he was achieving what he was achieving? Second, nobody owns everything they do.

 

[Rominati]

I already stated in this very same thread that I understand Keef's decision because of those same reason's so what you're saying isn't new. However all the shyt you're saying is very hard to do interdependently, but it isn't impossible. Tech 9 is a example of that.

Nahh man. Im not here to crush nobody dreams. But like I said I used to intern. Ive seen the in's and out's of certain shyt. You can make a career off doing things indie. But it will be 100x times harder.


Most importantly getting a 360 aint the end all be all. You can still sign to a major without a 360 EASILY. You just aint gonna get as much money.


Watch this video from 10:00 on b , homie a well known DJ from around here in Harlem. He has been in the biz for YEARS. Worked with Diddy, Jay, Def Jam errybody

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Everyone in this thread would sign to a major if you could.