New Orleans makes public schools all charter

[theworldismine13]

Number of New Orleans Charter School Successes: 0

Libertarianism brutally debunked and thoroughly destroyed

10 Years After Katrina, New Orleans’ All-Charter School System Has Proven a Failure

Test scores have improved, according to two major reports that examine academic achievement over the past nine years. On Katrina’s 10th anniversary, RSD is being held up as a national model. The graduation rate has risen from 56 percent to 73 percent. Last year, 63 percent of students in grades 3-8 scored basic or above on state standardized tests, up from 33 percent.

This is a quote from the article that you posted that is suppose to prove that no charter schools have failed

It's like facts don't matter, what matters is political propaganda

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The goal of the Republicans is to make everything private. This is fukking ridiculous.

But, with the combo of HORRIBLE management of the public sector/politics and the state being broke and controlled by Republicans.

Now, NO school have zero gov't oversight. And shyt will strictly be about money.

I legit never seen something like this happening so soon.

But, of course it's my birth city...

“How can there be social activism if there’s no society?” - Republican strategist

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

This is a quote from the article that you posted that is suppose to prove that no charter schools have failed

It's like facts don't matter, what matters is political propaganda

you're ignoring 99% of the article to cherry pick literally the only positive part in it

the whole thrust of the rest of it is that the charter system in NO has hurt black people and benefited whites

 

[Pressure]

10 Years After Katrina, New Orleans’ All-Charter School System Has Proven a Failure



This is a quote from the article that you posted that is suppose to prove that no charter schools have failed

It's like facts don't matter, what matters is political propaganda

Pre Negged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...s-its-charter-schools/?utm_term=.20e2e0ce9dee

 

[theworldismine13]

you're ignoring 99% of the article to cherry pick literally the only positive part in it

the whole thrust of the rest of it is that the charter system in NO has hurt black people and benefited whites

definitely, I am ignoring the anecdotal information and focusing on the actual facts and numbers, you are doing the opposite

its crazy how people are peddling anecdotes as case studies and actual research, you guys are intellectual midgets

 

[theworldismine13]

Pre Negged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...s-its-charter-schools/?utm_term=.20e2e0ce9dee

these are the facts from that article

The 2018 results for the Louisiana Educational Assessment Program exams found that only 26 percent in the Orleans Parish-Recovery School District had achieved “mastery” or above, less than the 34 percent state average.

if the state average is 34 and NO is at 26, that basically means new orleans students are testing about average, that isnt a sign of failure

Their analysis found that test scores, high school graduation rates and college outcomes all improved for students who attended school in New Orleans post-Katrina. It is true that outcomes are up. The important question to ask is why the improvements occurred.

the author then goes into this incredible rant complaining about the fact that schools received more funding.....lets repeat, the author is admitting that schools have improved but that its due to increase funding, apparently she is upset that schools are getting more money, wow, what a piece of shyt woman

the other leg of her argument is that there was less poor students, and she uses some convoluted statistic to show this, essentially pulling some shyt out her ass

but according to this the number of economically impoverished students has increased

https://www.louisianabelieves.com/d...22f9e85b8c9b66d6b292ff0000215f92.pdf?sfvrsn=2

ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS The percentage of New Orleans students who are economically disadvantaged4 is greater today than before Hurricane Katrina. In 2004–05, 77 percent of New Orleans students were economically disadvantaged, compared to 61 percent statewide. In the fall of 2014, 84 percent of students were economically disadvantaged, compared to 68 percent statewide (see figure E). Within New Orleans, economically disadvantaged students make up 92 percent of enrollment at RSD charter schools, 86 percent at OPSB direct-run schools, and 59 percent at OPSB charter schools (see figure F).

so basically this article was written by a disgusting pathetic white liberal complaining that black kids in new orleans are getting more money and they are less poor and thats the only reason they are doing well

only a black liberal c00n would take that article seriously

 

[Pressure]

Twism is the perfect example of what happens when you read an article not for information, but looking to cherry pick quotes to fill your own narrative.

 

[Pressure]

definitely, I am ignoring the anecdotal information and focusing on the actual facts and numbers, you are doing the opposite

its crazy how people are peddling anecdotes as case studies and actual research, you guys are intellectual midgets

The school system you're citing as a success is still under performing against the other state schools. :bernielol:1

 

[Pressure]

Essentially, the analysis says the following:

• New orleans was uniquely positioned post Katrina to reap the benefits on charter schooling
• As a result the "success" of Orleans parish charter schools likely won't transfer
• There was a substantial increase in funding post katrina
• There was a large exodus of much of the poor population post Katrina

Increase in funding

For example, economists C. Kirabo Jackson, Rucker Johnson and Claudia Persico found that increases in school spending had substantial effects on long-term student outcomes. In their paper entitled “The Effects of School Spending on Educational and Economic Outcomes: Evidence from School Finance Reforms,” they found that 10 percent increases in spending increase graduation rates for students from low-income homes by 10 percent. A 2017 study by Christopher Candelaria and Kenneth Shores found a 10 percent increase in spending to be associated with an increase of more than 5 percent in the graduation rates of high-poverty districts.

According to Harris and Larsen, the 13 percent increase in per-pupil spending in New Orleans was associated with graduation rate increases between 4 percent to 9 percent — quite in line with what others have found in school districts across the United States, including those that have not experienced state takeovers and “portfolio” reforms.

In addition to national studies, state-level studies of California, Massachusetts and New York have found improved test scores, graduation rates and college-going rates due to increased spending as well.

Shift in demographics:

Researchers also take into account demographic shifts in the students served by school systems because of the substantial role that household wealth plays in student success. Harris and Larsen claim demographic stability pre- and post-Katrina. Baker disagrees. He wrote:

When considering average shares of children who qualify for free or reduced priced lunch (under 185% income threshold for poverty), or other measures of central tendency (means, medians) for the city as a whole, this may appear true. But, there have indeed been substantial changes in the distribution of poverty across schools and neighborhoods and the concentration of extreme poverty in New Orleans.


Citing the work of a 2015 Brookings Institute study, he noted that “the share of the city’s poor residents living in neighborhoods of extreme poverty dropped from 39 percent in 2000 to 30 percent in 2009-13 (the latest small-area data available). This drop occurred at the same time that concentrated poverty rose dramatically in many major American cities, spurred by the Great Recession and slow recovery. As a result, whereas New Orleans ranked second among big U.S. cities in concentrated poverty prior to the storm, it ranked just 40th by 2009-13.”

Baker then explains why such a decrease could be at least partially responsible for the improved outcomes.

 

[Pressure]

Additional concerns

As Baker pointed out, there are other important questions that go beyond what is easily measured: concerns of equity, structural inefficiencies, opportunities for waste and corruption, and the protection of the rights of the city’s most disadvantaged and vulnerable students.

Baker is certainly not the first to consider these questions. Louisiana teacher and researcher Mercedes Schneider explained the deep inequities that continue to exist in the system, writing:

It’s 2018, and black, public school students in New Orleans are still trying to have what white, public school students seem to come by in droves: access to schools deemed to be the preferable schools by the New Orleans community at large—with three of the preferable schools, having been able to elude until 2018 what is supposed to be a fair, open application process.


And in her recent book, “After the Education Wars,” Andrea Gabor, the Baruch College Bloomberg professor of business journalism, described New Orleans’s Recovery School District as a system of intense competition in which charter operators are “hoping to outperform the market for test scores, chasing a limited supply of philanthropic dollars."

"For children, there is the Darwinian game of musical chairs — with the weakest kids left out when the music stops and failing schools close, or when they were counseled out of schools that can’t, or won’t, deal with their problems,” she wrote.

 

[theworldismine13]

Essentially, the analysis says the following:

• New orleans was uniquely positioned post Katrina to reap the benefits on charter schooling
• As a result the "success" of Orleans parish charter schools likely won't transfer
• There was a substantial increase in funding post katrina
• There was a large exodus of much of the poor population post Katrina

Increase in funding

Shift in demographics:

you are repeating what i broke down and trying to make it sound acceptable, its not working

New orleans was uniquely positioned post Katrina to reap the benefits on charter schooling

this is an interesting point, a lot of charter school opponents point to studies that show that charter schools do not show any improvement. but the problem with using those studies is that the students are taken from all demographics, but when the demographics are broken down they show charter schools improve scores for black students and dont do much for white students (presumably because they are already going to good schools)

So overall this point is obvious, every school district that has failing schools is "uniquely positioned to reap the benefits of charter schooling"

As a result the "success" of Orleans parish charter schools likely won't transfer

the success of charter schools in NO is based on the elimination of regular public schools, so for it to transfer to other places those places would have to start closing their public schools

There was a substantial increase in funding post katrina

this is the most bone headed argument, and a disgusting argument, its basically whining cuz black kids in NO got more funding

There was a large exodus of much of the poor population post Katrina

the basis of this argument is very weak and convoluted and as i pointed out, other stats say otherwise

https://www.louisianabelieves.com/d...22f9e85b8c9b66d6b292ff0000215f92.pdf?sfvrsn=2

ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS The percentage of New Orleans students who are economically disadvantaged4 is greater today than before Hurricane Katrina. In 2004–05, 77 percent of New Orleans students were economically disadvantaged, compared to 61 percent statewide. In the fall of 2014, 84 percent of students were economically disadvantaged, compared to 68 percent statewide (see figure E). Within New Orleans, economically disadvantaged students make up 92 percent of enrollment at RSD charter schools, 86 percent at OPSB direct-run schools, and 59 percent at OPSB charter schools (see figure F).

 

[theworldismine13]

those "additional concerns" are just white liberal babble

 

[Pressure]

the success of charter schools in NO is based on the elimination of regular public schools, so for it to transfer to other places those places would have to start closing their public schools

Incorrect.

this is the most bone headed argument, and a disgusting argument, its basically whining cuz black kids in NO got more funding

No, it's saying that the success of Orleans Parish Charter schools fall in line with well established metrics of increased performance by merely increasing funding.


This has nothing to do with hating on black people. In fact, the main contributor to this study is a black male.

 

[Pressure]

I spent half summer 2017 I New Orleans with my girlfriend as she wen through Columbia Universities Summer Principle's Academy.

Their work was done in charter schools. From my first hand experience volunteering and second hand experience through discussions with them I'd say that @Rhakim is pretty accurate on the lack of nuance with regard to these discussions.

Similarly, @theworldismine13 this is why you're a useless person to have a conversation with. You lack nuance and pull the race card whenever your points are refuted.

 

[theworldismine13]

Incorrect.

No, it's saying that the success of Orleans Parish Charter schools fall in line with well established metrics of increased performance by merely increasing funding.


This has nothing to do with hating on black people. In fact, the main contributor to this study is a black male.

no its not, the article is peddling a controversial unproven theory that says you can increase performance by increasing funding, its a theory not a fact

and even if it was true, which it isnt IMO, it obviously would only be applicable in cases in which the administration was the same, its absurd to think that you can prove that money was the deciding factor when the administration was eliminated and turned upside down, there is no way you can separate the impact of money and the impact of administrative changes

but i get it, you have low intellectual abilities so its easy for you to be fooled by these specious arguments