intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
They released so much Garbo they out of the conversation right-awaymatic... Except JayCouldnt put Wu, Mobb Deep ,50 Cent, G Rap, KRS, LL, Nas or Jay on that list I see.
New York Rappers Get Catapulted Into Greatness With The Smallest Sample Size
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lmao at the East Coast being a small sample size
Bondye Vodou
Proud practitioner of the "High Science"
Biggie #1 MC, DOA
I agree with the general point of what you're saying but a few things:
1. Even 1 classic album is a great accomplishment. Most artists in any genre of music can't say they have even one classic album. By your own admission most of your list has at least one.
2. The longevity argument doesn't make sense for some of your points. Jada has no classic albums....ok cool, your opinion....but no longevity?
The same goes for Slick Rick. He came out in 1985, dropped a critically acclaimed gold album in 1999, and was still killing features against new rappers, 15 years later. Ok he ain't made noise in a while....but dude had a run for 15-20 years....what more do you want?
Also Slick Rick borderline pioneered story telling in rap. So you're not even taking into account other aspects of greatness.
3. Three people from your list died....you know the routine. Death = you're gonna be over rated all to hell. In any thing, not just rap, and not just the east coast. And "LAD" ain't classic.
I mean....people from other regions give artists GOAT passes for less shyt than this. Andre is my favorite rapper all-time but he's erroneously in a bunch of GOAT discussions with no solo album. UGK got one gold album in 20 years, but people claim they're a GOAT level group. Does longevity mean just putting out music, or do people have to care about it?
Fred.
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Except putting Andre in the top 10 is like putting a DH in the all time top 10 of great everyday players. Andre has only had to do one thing well for his entire career. It's A LOT easier to build a legacy one verse at a time.
3000 has never had to craft entire songs alone, with 3 or 4 full verses, much less entire solo albums. He's been able to unload full clips onto songs, 1 or 1 1/2 verses at a time, instead of having to build the arc of a song. Those are entirely different skills people don't appreciate enough.
He can't be top 10 without a solo album, and that's his fault, because he's clearly scared to drop a solo rap album. And all of that is coming from an Outkast stan....
But how many GOAT level rappers have actually succeeded through multiple eras? Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, and Kanye? There aren't many.
LL didn't really succeed, as much as he just hung around and dropped music in different eras. Same goes for the other legends.
I agree Biggie can no longer be considered the greatest, because Jay and Nas have full careers that have stood the test of time. But aside from them, Biggie's music, skill, impact, and influence still holds up against the rest, and gives him a place in the top 5.
I agree with the rest of your post though.
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
Explain why the GOAT rapper can't be a group member. What about a group makes a man's rapping worse?I agree with the general point of what you're saying but a few things:
1. Even 1 classic album is a great accomplishment. Most artists in any genre of music can't say they have even one classic album. By your own admission most of your list has at least one.
2. The longevity argument doesn't make sense for some of your points. Jada has no classic albums....ok cool, your opinion....but no longevity?
The same goes for Slick Rick. He came out in 1985, dropped a critically acclaimed gold album in 1999, and was still killing features against new rappers, 15 years later. Ok he ain't made noise in a while....but dude had a run for 15-20 years....what more do you want?
Also Slick Rick borderline pioneered story telling in rap. So you're not even taking into account other aspects of greatness.
3. Three people from your list died....you know the routine. Death = you're gonna be over rated all to hell. In any thing, not just rap, and not just the east coast. And "LAD" ain't classic.
I mean....people from other regions give artists GOAT passes for less shyt than this. Andre is my favorite rapper all-time but he's erroneously in a bunch of GOAT discussions with no solo album. UGK got one gold album in 20 years, but people claim they're a GOAT level group. Does longevity mean just putting out music, or do people have to care about it?
Fred.
You can probably claim the same for rappers from other regions also. For example: Andre is routinely brought up in GOAT MC lists and he only has group album rap verses (many, granted are classic) and some feature verses. Not one solo rap album.
Good post. Got to Dre before me. There are rappers from all regions that are catapulted without a large/ prestigious body of work. Look at Kendrick, for example. Some people are already calling him an all time great. I fvcks with him heavy, but I think that's just ridiculous.
JetFueledThoughts
Superstar
For an OutKast stan, it sure is weird that you made no mention of the production work Dre did on those albums, his solo included.
Explain what production has to do with being one of the 10 greatest RAPPERS of all time...
I agree. Kendrick is my favorite rapper of this era, but it's too soon. I always like to wait on adding the newest rappers to Top 25/10/5 lists. We have to see how TPAB will age, and he needs a few more albums, so we can see the consistency continue.
GZA has one undeniable classic, classic verses on a bunch of Wu related albums and been around for over 20 years and probably never dropped a wack verse. He also has one of the most underrated solo album discographies. He's considered an all time great for a reason.
this was already said by hexagram and MLAlien, you parrot
And they actually elaborated a bit to flesh out their thoughts.As usual, you're incapable of contributing an original thought while hating on nikkas that can
Indiglow Meta (R$G)
Ultra.
This doesn't work on people from DC or Philly...who successfully repelled NY and Jamaican invasions with bullets...
Now y'all wear nike boots and have big beards...and say jawn...and wear bright colors.
Like people from PHILLY OR DC.
