New York Times: Men, where have you gone? Please come back

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But change is not one sided, it applies to both genders. If men want relationships, they have to become more attractive to women and vice versa. And that requires socialising.






Most men are either dating or marrying American women, or they are single. It is only a small percentage that are engaging in sex tourism.
Like I said part of the answer

Come on guise
 

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It's soo hard and exhausting to be a man and sometimes it makes me feel like outrageously breaking out in tears, with both hands covering my face because it's so depressing to be a man in 2025.

Shyt I feel like crying now...


Some of y'all got to stop with this “woe is me/it's hard being a man that it makes me wanna break down and cry” shyt :stopitslime:being a man in 2025 ain't all that depressing and miserable some of you guys just need to get your affairs in order
Gaslight and miss the point brehs
 

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There has never been a credible study that has quantified an estimate of what it actually means to be in the top 20 percentile.
Man at some point we gotta stop with the Google debating and stat battles and use common sense

Is 80/20 distribution an exact 1:1 science? No but let's not pretend like very similar have/have not distributions don't explicitly exist right in front of our noses
 
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Based on the subject title, I was hoping the NY Times was actually turning the corner and realized a significant number of eligible men (in the top 20-40%) have opted out of dating almost completely, therefore doing damage to the dating market. For the past 5-10 years media outlets like them have been pushing this "Male Loneliness Epic" garbage which mainly applies to men women do not want in the first place. And they've always framed opinionated articles like this to slight men in order to not offend their female base and advertisers.

But nope, this is nothing more than shaming men into traditional courtship that doesn't line up for many people in relationships today.

Plenty of women are fine with "situation-ships" from their college years to their mid-30's and even later, as long as its from the men that turn them on. Yes, there is no time for the Boss Chick to cuddle after sex and have a deep conversation about astrology the morning after with GMA playing in the background. Bills need to get paid.

And just this year, I'm hearing women don't want to deal with mens emotional labor (after telling men we need to stop bottling up our emotions, go to therapy, and express our feelings for the past 5 years), why they mad, this is the perfect compromise:yeshrug:

I do not blame any man who knows he is a womans second/third/fourth choice that refuses to roll out the red carpet for a woman who has a dozen unread messages from other guys on Tinder/Bumble on standby and shes ready to entertain after the first moment of dullness during a date.

From what I’m seeing and reading, they don’t want the emotional labor from men who aren’t committing. A lot of men want all the benefits of a wife, without actually commiting. So you have brehs in relationships who want women to cook, clean, be a business partner, but don’t want to get married. The brehs in situationships are worse, because they try to get those things, plus want the women to listen and be emotionally available while still keeping themselves open to other women. Then you have the ones who get married, but the woman still works full time contributing to half the bills, but does all the housework, all the cooking, the majority of the childcare, and when the woman wants some time to herself, the men complain about caring for their own children. They have to pick up after children, and after a grown man. Married women complain about feeling like single moms, because the man is not making time for the family, or the relationship. (Tom Brady)

A marriage is a partnership. It requires effort from both sides. Even in situations where the man provides, you still need to make her feel special. The easiest cheat code is flowers. Brehs act like flowers cost $500. You spend $15-$30 a month to get some grocery store flowers, and it makes a difference most of the time. Of course, there are women who will never be happy, especially if she was settling for you in the first place. But for most women, the flowers show you were thinking about her, and put effort into giving her a nice experience.

I think apps have a lot of brehs inappropriately down on themselves. Women judge you harshly if you’re not good at writing a profile, or have bad pics. There could be something she sees or feels in you she would only feel in person. Most couples are equal in appearance, but the ones where the woman is perceived to look better than the man didn’t meet on apps. They could have known each other for a long time. They could have been set up by mutual friends, so she felt more comfortable. This is why you need to leave the house, and meet people. Friends have sisters, cousins, and wives and girlfriends who have friends you will meet while attending their events.
 

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It’s not all of them when you’ve been trying to nerf men’s natural behavior what do you expect to happen? Normal guy stuff got categorized as toxic masculinity and we needed to up our emotional intelligence and all that sounds good on paper but I’m realizing how feminized men have become. The liking of superhero movies, animes, wrestling and all other nerd activities is at an all time high it’s overblown now. Remember the men of our fathers were handymen who may have been into some nerdy things but they still stayed in shape and knew how to be outdoorsmen. Lot of mfs don’t know how to fish or fix a flat tire and it’s only going to get worse in time
Some girl I’m smashing last night told me I’m very masculine/dominant.

We cool so i talk to her about other hoes and i basically told her how back then i used to be very blunt ands cutthroat but the world has made me kinda soft and how i need to go back to my old self lol. So i was surprised she said that. I also told her that women nowadays can’t even handle or don’t more how to deal with real masculinity like mine. She was confused but understood what i meant when i broke it down.

Basically talking to women nowadays is like playing minesweeper due to the ick bullshyt. One small comment and you’re ghosted regardless of what kinda work you put in. And usually the comment is just a man being assertive or flirtatious. Men are waking up and realizing there’s no point because of how fickle they are. Pursuing a woman 9/10 times is a waste of time/$
 
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From what I’m seeing and reading, they don’t want the emotional labor from men who aren’t committing. A lot of men want all the benefits of a wife, without actually commiting. So you have brehs in relationships who want women to cook, clean, be a business partner, but don’t want to get married. The brehs in situationships are worse, because they try to get those things, plus want the women to listen and be emotionally available while still keeping themselves open to other women. Then you have the ones who get married, but the woman still works full time contributing to half the bills, but does all the housework, all the cooking, the majority of the childcare, and when the woman wants some time to herself, the men complain about caring for their own children. They have to pick up after children, and after a grown man. Married women complain about feeling like single moms, because the man is not making time for the family, or the relationship. (Tom Brady)

A marriage is a partnership. It requires effort from both sides. Even in situations where the man provides, you still need to make her feel special. The easiest cheat code is flowers. Brehs act like flowers cost $500. You spend $15-$30 a month to get some grocery store flowers, and it makes a difference most of the time. Of course, there are women who will never be happy, especially if she was settling for you in the first place. But for most women, the flowers show you were thinking about her, and put effort into giving her a nice experience.

I think apps have a lot of brehs inappropriately down on themselves. Women judge you harshly if you’re not good at writing a profile, or have bad pics. There could be something she sees or feels in you she would only feel in person. Most couples are equal in appearance, but the ones where the woman is perceived to look better than the man didn’t meet on apps. They could have known each other for a long time. They could have been set up by mutual friends, so she felt more comfortable. This is why you need to leave the house, and meet people. Friends have sisters, cousins, and wives and girlfriends who have friends you will meet while attending their events.
From the stories of the brehs in the game, meeting chicks isn’t the issue. They don’t seem to find any decent women.
 

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Until nikkas get some nuts about themselves
Practice dikk discipline
And stop lying to these women
The cycle will keep going
nikkas so scared to call these bytches losers but will call a breh a loser at the drop of a dime
98% of these hoes are gabage
No if ands or buts about it
If you want men to come back
Society going to have to stand on business and start telling these hoes the truth
You fat
You masculine
You boring
You got kids no nikka wants to take care of


Rip Kevin Samuels
 

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Why are there no articles on women’s behaviors and unreal expectations when it comes to dating?
Like them believing that there’s some 6 foot 6 figure earner out there waiting to marry them when they’re average or below average.


Or the fact that a lot of them expect a man to be the most interesting man in the world, when the women themselves have little to no hobbies.

Or their inability to communicate. Women are complaining that men ask “how was your day” on dating apps, when that’s literally what couples do.


Nothing is going to change until this gets addressed. Because there’s plenty of average and above average men who genuinely want to have a relationship, but gave up because they keep getting ghosted or tired of wasting their time and money on dead end dates.
All of this takes an honest look inwards instead of outwards for women and I don’t think they will ever do it.

It’s really a lack of accountability. These women are literally, all the same or copies of each other.

Zero interesting shyt to say but expects you to pull conversation out of your ass or entertain them :mjlol:

I’m a grown ass man. Not about to tap dance to keep your bum ass attention especially when there’s nothing of substance going on upstairs.

Especially at the bolded too. I get messages from females either criticizing or demanding some shyt from my profile and will just unmatch. Feels like it’s not even worth it, and doing the same thing over and over and receiving the same result is insanity
 
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