NEWSFLASH: The “ADOS” Movement is Not An Excuse for You to Be a FKN Idiot About Race and Culture

[kayslay]

My mother's family. My great-grandmother was born in Tunica, and moved to St. Louis in the 1930's.

Similar for me.
My dads family moved to chicago in the late 20’s my paternal grandmother was born in chicago.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Great movement. Embrace your heritage. Going at Black immigrants is corny as fukk though.

you just HAD to add that last part didn't you

when foreign brehs aren't shytting on the movement they're on some passive aggressive shyt like you are so instead of going all in you just qualify your statements.

we see right through it, clown


this is some insincere bullshyt because a lot of non ADOS brehs like yourself see this movement by it's VERY DEFINITION as "going at Black immigrants"

you sound like entitled cacs

 

[Roland Coltrane]

I haven’t seen anyone going at Black Immigrants so what is all this fuss about?
Did I miss something?

these cats out here projecting like they always do


they feel real threatened by this whole thing for some odd reason

they wanna talk sideways about us all the time and say sideways shyt and put themselves and their culture on a pedestal as different and better than ours but ALWAYS want to be included


it's some serious cognitive dissonance

 

[kayslay]

these cats out here projecting like they always do


they feel real threatened by this whole thing for some odd reason

they wanna talk sideways about us all the time and say sideways shyt and put themselves and their culture on a pedestal as different and better than ours but ALWAYS want to be included


it's some serious cognitive dissonance

Exactly.
I never attack anyone in threads speaking on Their culture. However they all want to act as if AfrAm being proud, learning and sharing our culture and experiences is some how an attack and an affront to their humanity and Blackness.

 

[Illuminatos]

I haven’t seen anyone going at Black Immigrants so what is all this fuss about?
Did I miss something?

Didn't read the thread. I was making a general comment since I never spoke on the topic before.

you just HAD to add that last part didn't you

when foreign brehs aren't shytting on the movement they're on some passive aggressive shyt like you are so instead of going all in you just qualify your statements.

we see right through it, clown


this is some insincere bullshyt because a lot of non ADOS brehs like yourself see this movement by it's VERY DEFINITION as "going at Black immigrants"

you sound like entitled cacs

I'm not shytting on the movement. It's a good movement.
I just want nikkas to know that at the end of the day we're all on the same side.

 

[Prodyson]

Here’s the one thing I don’t think the creators of the ADOS movement are considering.

Regardless of your opinion of black immigrants, a lot of prominent and influential black people (past and present) who promote black issues are children of immigrants. If you are successful in separating the groups politically, you’re putting those people in a position where they have to stop (primarily) fighting for black people as a whole, and start fighting for rights that strictly benefit their “tribe.” You then decrease the amount of power for everyone. If corporations and the government don’t cater to black people now, what makes you think they’re going to serve even smaller politically separated groups, none of which who have any real power?

The whole idea behind us all working together is that we can pool our resources and efforts to garner power that we wouldn’t have, otherwise. Separated, I’m not sure what any of us can accomplish. Has anyone done the research... is the ADOS population large enough to have enough control to be somewhat of a “deciding vote?” I’m not gonna tell you not to continue the fight, I’m just not sure what you think is going to happen when you weren’t satisfied with policies for ALL black people, and now you’re hoping for policies for a smaller group of separated black people. Are we forgetting who is in power?

I’m thinking that maybe the movement is just too early... or maybe right on time but just too overt.

 

[ultraflexed]

Here’s the one thing I don’t think the creators of the ADOS movement are considering.

Regardless of your opinion of black immigrants, a lot of prominent and influential black people (past and present) who promote black issues are children of immigrants. If you are successful in separating the groups politically, you’re putting those people in a position where they have to stop (primarily) fighting for black people as a whole, and start fighting for rights that strictly benefit their “tribe.” You then decrease the amount of power for everyone. If corporations and the government don’t cater to black people now, what makes you think they’re going to serve even smaller politically separated groups, none of which who have any real power?

The whole idea behind us all working together is that we can pool our resources and efforts to garner power that we wouldn’t have, otherwise. Separated, I’m not sure what any of us can accomplish. Has anyone done the research... is the ADOS population large enough to have enough control to be somewhat of a “deciding vote?” I’m not gonna tell you not to continue the fight, I’m just not sure what you think is going to happen when you weren’t satisfied with policies for ALL black people, and now you’re hoping for policies for a smaller group of separated black people. Are we forgetting who is in power?

I’m thinking that maybe the movement is just too early... or maybe right on time but just too overt.

We want what is owned to the 39million descendants of American slavery

 

[Deuterion]

Here’s the one thing I don’t think the creators of the ADOS movement are considering.

Regardless of your opinion of black immigrants, a lot of prominent and influential black people (past and present) who promote black issues are children of immigrants. If you are successful in separating the groups politically, you’re putting those people in a position where they have to stop (primarily) fighting for black people as a whole, and start fighting for rights that strictly benefit their “tribe.” You then decrease the amount of power for everyone. If corporations and the government don’t cater to black people now, what makes you think they’re going to serve even smaller politically separated groups, none of which who have any real power?

The whole idea behind us all working together is that we can pool our resources and efforts to garner power that we wouldn’t have, otherwise. Separated, I’m not sure what any of us can accomplish. Has anyone done the research... is the ADOS population large enough to have enough control to be somewhat of a “deciding vote?” I’m not gonna tell you not to continue the fight, I’m just not sure what you think is going to happen when you weren’t satisfied with policies for ALL black people, and now you’re hoping for policies for a smaller group of separated black people. Are we forgetting who is in power?

I’m thinking that maybe the movement is just too early... or maybe right on time but just too overt.

The problem with your post is you’re assuming that all these immigrant groups have sided with Black ADOS to fight White supremacy and ADOS out of nowhere are splintering off. All you have to do is look at all these different immigrant groups and you will see that they will put their culture first. They’ll walk, talk, and act like Black ADOS but see themselves as something different. I have seen it time and time again and many have a “thewhite man is not so bad I don’t know why you nikkas is so angry” mentality. So don’t try to paint this like ADOS are splitting from some Black unity pact that currently exists. Black unity is an idea and an ideal that is very very very loosely followed by anyone other than ADOS in the USA. ADOS are basically dropping the delusion and doing what all the other groups are doing.

 

[Thanos]

The more that time passes, the more folks divide themselves into groups by culture. There's nothing wrong with claiming an identity. Just shift away from using an identity to proxy talk WS and things will be good.

As for policies, gonna have build some bridges

Also, can we stop acting like folks views are in a polarity.

 

[Anti-Anime]

I understsnd their frustration and anger. Everybody trying to coopt their specific struggle and shyt. The rest of us immigrants of african descent gotta fall back and let them get what's owed to them instead of muddling

 

[InkosiYe]

I will begin this thread with an easily digestible one-liner that explains the new line of thinking among Black American DOS.

“Black Americans descending from the historically enslaved population of the United States of America are moving from a “race-first” mindset (which found them advocating for immigrants, LBGT, and misc groups) to a “culture-first” mindset which applies exclusively to African-Americans”.

This is what movements like ADOS are looking to do as the “race-first” methodology had us trying to ally with groups that were brought here to be proxies for White supremacy. We were basically in bed with the devil because it either had the same skin color as us or simply wasn’t White.

This however doesn’t give you free reign to start spouting ignorant shyt like “Puerto Ricans are not Black or of African descent” and miscellaneous dumb shyt about immigrants. We do not have to dinegrate anyone or propagate hate for this movement to be successful. This movement is about ADOS exclusively and is about us detaching ourselves from the mental subjugation brought upon us via neo-liberalism.

It’s about us understanding that the Hispanic that owns the market you frequent is only concerned about Hispanics and the Korean person selling you the Murray’s hair grease is only concerned about Koreans, and you Mr. Black man don’t own anything and you’re too busy trying to kumbaya with them.

That doesn’t mean we have to show hate to them...we just need to change our behavior and develop our own markets, our own hair care products, and ONLY BUY THEM! WE DON’T NEED TO SPREAD HATE ALL WE NEED TO DO IS ADVOCATE FOR AND/OR PATRONIZE PEOPLE, PLACES, and THINGS that bring tangible benefits to us.

This doesn’t change the fact that ADOS are an African people, this doesn’t change the fact that some PRs, DRs, Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, and etc are African people too. It doesn’t change the fact that we need Africa to succeed long term...IT CHANGES NONE OF THAT. This movement is to put us in a position so that we can make truly alliances and exert power for our liberation.

We don’t need to burn bridges we need to fortify them by showing everyone else that we will no longer be taken for granted and that working against us will have consequences that will hit their pockets and make it uncomfortable for them to maneuver in American society.

So if you’re a dumb shyt that doesn’t understand what’s going on just STFU. You are going to make this movement more difficult because your hatred will be used as the focal point from outsiders looking in. If you don’t like immigrants that’s your personal belief but leave that outside of the discussion. This is about us and only us and needs to stay that way.

Y’all are beating this AADOS shyt into the ground aren’t y’all? In 5 years I wanna see how this “cultural segregation” advances your ethnicity into power in your country. Or it’s just a trendy hashtag used to spite ALL black immigrants, non-c00ns be damned.

We’re all watching how you turn this into a movement to extract tangibles and resources from the dominant society.

Didn’t read a thing past the first page of the thread, but as a child of black immigrants, I’m fine with both of these statements.

I don’t see any issue with ADOS (I still can’t stand that fukking name because of the reference to slavery but whatever) claiming sole rights to reparations, as well as wanting political representation for others with the same lineage primarily. I think it’s fair, especially considering the despicable history of this country.

I also see how the movement is used to spite, insult and BLAME black immigrants, which I’m very weary of. I see a lot of folks parroting this idea that black immigrants are an arm of white supremacy, as if 1. ALL black immigrants are on that wave (which they’re not, I don’t know a single one in real life that is, including myself, in fact the most problack people I know in real life, pan african and all that, are ALL black immigrants, no bullshyt) and 2. There aren’t black folks from the US that carry a level of xenophobia themselves that makes immigrants feel as if they’re not welcome or considered one of US when they get here (anybody that says that is either a flat out LIAR or never grew up around black immigrants at all).

Every movement that starts with a good enough point can eventually devolve into trash if it goes unchecked, we’ve already seen the black lives matter, feminist and LGBT movements either be co-opted or spiral out of control due to the extremists and crazies within their ranks, even though they were initially based on solid ideas.

But salute to @Deuterion for calling that out, and I agree that once things are sorted, the next step is building bridges, not burning them. I hope that everybody involved in the ADOS movement can get what they want without alienating other folks that want the success of ADOS and black people as a whole just as much as they do.

 

[Prodyson]

We want what is owned to the 39million descendants of American slavery

Nothing that I said contradicts that idea. You should want reparations. But as an example, the idea around many political think tanks is that they discuss issues and agree on the which issues they will fight for now and which they will fight for later, so that they can communicate a united message. It would make more sense for black people to try to create more organization and then ADOS to fight for this to be one of the priorities for blacks right now (or whenever they agree), and show a united front. Creating more separation makes the weak (all black people in America) even weaker, especially from a political perspective.

 

[ThatTruth777]

Yall really don't give a fukk about us improving our condition do you, but oh well

 

[Prodyson]

The problem with your post is you’re assuming that all these immigrant groups have sided with Black ADOS to fight White supremacy and ADOS out of nowhere are splintering off. All you have to do is look at all these different immigrant groups and you will see that they will put their culture first. They’ll walk, talk, and act like Black ADOS but see themselves as something different. I have seen it time and time again and many have a “thewhite man is not so bad I don’t know why you nikkas is so angry” mentality. So don’t try to paint this like ADOS are splitting from some Black unity pact that currently exists. Black unity is an idea and an ideal that is very very very loosely followed by anyone other than ADOS in the USA. ADOS are basically dropping the delusion and doing what all the other groups are doing.

I could say the exact same thing about what you’re saying. None of the groups are monoliths and we don’t really know whether there are more of the people that you’re describing vs the people that I’m describing. But I would bet that the children of immigrants are more likely to end up like the people that I’m describing. So screw their elitist parents and work with the allies. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Prodyson]

The problem with your post is you’re assuming that all these immigrant groups have sided with Black ADOS to fight White supremacy and ADOS out of nowhere are splintering off. All you have to do is look at all these different immigrant groups and you will see that they will put their culture first. They’ll walk, talk, and act like Black ADOS but see themselves as something different. I have seen it time and time again and many have a “thewhite man is not so bad I don’t know why you nikkas is so angry” mentality. So don’t try to paint this like ADOS are splitting from some Black unity pact that currently exists. Black unity is an idea and an ideal that is very very very loosely followed by anyone other than ADOS in the USA. ADOS are basically dropping the delusion and doing what all the other groups are doing.

I’m reading your post for a second time and I have to say, as a descendent of a family of immigrants, what you’re describing is not the reality that I saw. I never even thought about separating myself from ADOS blacks until now. Up until now amy family members and I always thought of ourselves as black first. Maybe Guyanese are different. But even my parents and and aunts and uncles never talked negative about American blacks. I didn’t even know that was a thing until I saw it on the coli.