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Non-citizens should not be able to vote for even dogcatcher.

Having an ID being required to vote is not racism, it's common sense. If someone wants to vote in 2020 elections, they have 2 year aka 24 months aka 730 days to get a form of ID...this is basic shiit.

Start at 5:30 and educate yourself. :hhh:



Voter fraud does not happen significantly enough to warrant multiple states to pass Voter ID laws.

When governments enact laws that target problems that don't exist, you have to ask why.

You don't understand the larger context.
 

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Nancy Pelosi is getting a lot of shyt for saying in the wake of the election that she's not going to pursue impeachment until the Republicans call for it.

I have three thoughts.

First, she's been saying this since the spring. No one paid attention b/c they thought she was trying not to gin up the GOP base. But it's clear she meant it.

Second, I think she's right. On this *one* issue, count me on Team Pelosi.

Third, one of the reasons she's right (there are many) can be gleaned from our old friend Steve Skowronek.

Skowronek's theory, remember, is that to understand how a president governs, you need to keep in mind two questions or factors.

First, how strong or resilient is the governing regime? The New Deal order, for example, was resilient through the late 1960s/early 1970s, then it began to show signs of weakness and challenge, both internally and externally.

Second, is the president and the party he represents constitutively aligned with or opposed to the dominant regime? The Democrats throughout the New Deal era were constitutively aligned with the New Deal, the Republicans were opposed. Yes, Nixon and Eisenhower made their peace with the New Deal, as did Clinton and Obama with Reaganism. But constitutively aligned means something more like true belief in, present at the creation of, firm commitment to and extension of, not resigned accommodation and maintenance.

Now we come to impeachment: as Skowronek argues, you get impeachments when you have a strong regime and a president who represents a party that is opposed to that regime. Nixon and Clinton, both of whom were impeached (or close to impeachment with Nixon) are the classic cases; in Nixon's case, the New Deal was still strong enough; in Clinton's case, Reaganism was very strong. Johnson is the other case: yes, he had been Lincoln's VP, but he was essentially a representative of the white South seeking to maintain white supremacy in the South.

Anyway, Pelosi's gamble is either that the Reagan regime is too strong to launch an impeachment against Trump (that's why no one ever thought about impeaching Reagan over Iran-Contra; he and the regime he had created were too strong) OR that the regime is so weak that the real goal is to repudiate it electorally rather than institutionally.

My hope is that we're in the latter stages, of course, though I'm sure Pelosi doesn't think so. But regardless, from a political point of view, Pelosi's right that impeachment is not the way to go.

What's more, I suspect that in six months' time, once it becomes clear to everyone that she and the Dems won't go for impeachment, we'll see a lot less talk from everyone about impeachment, and more talk about political modes of opposition, whether within the Democratic Party itself or outside of it. Which is all to the good, in my estimation.

That doesn't mean you can't punish Trump for his crimes and misdemeanors. It just means that the best punishment would be a whole wave of legislation, at the federal and state levels, that completely reverses all the elements of Trumpism, including his corruption. We won't get that in the next two years, certainly not at the federal level, but we should be laying the groundwork with all the necessary legislation now.
 

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Start at 5:30 and educate yourself. :hhh:



Voter fraud does not happen significantly enough to warrant multiple states to pass Voter ID laws.

When governments enact laws that target problems that don't exist, you have to ask why.

You don't understand the larger context.


We need ID to go to the bank, drive a vehicle, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, obtain other documents, etc etc.
Something as sacred as the integrity of "One Citizen, One Vote" doesn't demand ID?? :gucci:
 

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We need ID to go to the bank, drive a vehicle, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, obtain other documents, etc etc.
Something as sacred as the integrity of "One Citizen, One Vote" doesn't demand ID?? :gucci:

Do you know who Lee Atwater is?

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You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”

If a law is racist, a smart man wouldn't put the racism explicitly in the text of the law.

A North Carolina judge was able to see behind the law to its true intent:

NPR Choice page

Those provisions of the law were struck down in July 2016 by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.

Set your contrarianism to the side for a moment. This ain't the hill you wanna die on, chief. :francis:

Why do we need nationwide voter ID laws if voter fraud is extremely rare? :bpthink:
 

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Do you know who Lee Atwater is?

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If a law is racist, a smart man wouldn't put the racism explicitly in the text of the law.

A North Carolina judge was able to see behind the law to its true intent:

NPR Choice page



Set your contrarianism to the side for a moment. This ain't the hill you wanna die on, chief. :francis:

Why do we need nationwide voter ID laws if voter fraud is extremely rare? :bpthink:

Having an ID to vote is not racist.

What those Republicans intentions may have been racist, but the concept of showing an official ID to vote is not a racist thing. Everybody can get an ID and everybody can get an ID in 2 years.

Don't conflate racists doing racist things with common sense.

What is so wrong about having an ID to identify you as who you say you are??? There is no rebuttal to that question, because it's common sense.
 
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Having an ID to vote is not racist.

Just gonna blithely ignore receipts, huh? Not like I expected much better, but I was hoping you'd be a bit more reasonable. :francis:

What those Republicans intentions may have been racist, but the concept of showing an official ID to vote is not a racist thing.What is so wrong about having an ID to identify you as who you say you are???

"Those Dixiecrats' intentions may have been racist, but the concept of having a literacy test to vote is not a racist thing. How ya gonna vote if ya can't read???":uncledenzel:

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

There is no rebuttal to that question, because it's common sense.

This isn't a common sense issue, so you refusing any rebuttals is hysterically meaningless.

As I said before:

You don't understand the larger context.
 

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Just gonna blithely ignore receipts, huh? Not like I expected much better, but I was hoping you'd be a bit more reasonable. :francis:



"Those Dixiecrats' intentions may have been racist, but the concept of having a literacy test to vote is not a racist thing. How ya gonna vote if ya can't read???":uncledenzel:

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia



This isn't a common sense issue, so you refusing any rebuttals is hysterically meaningless.

As I said before:

I didn't ignore receipts. Claiming there is little voter fraud doesn't dismiss the need to secure the integrity of the process. I think we need better oversight of these machines as well. I think we need to get receipts showing exactly who I voted for on that machine

Are you seriously comparing literacy tests to having an official government ID. :snoop: If you mean racists Republicans being racist Republicans then there is a parallel, of course back in the day it was racist Democrats in the South, but showing an ID is nowhere near as repugnant as a fuucking literacy test.....please stop. :whoa: You're making a mockery of yourself.

I can't debate someone that strays from the conversation at hand. Voting is probably the most sacred civic duty we as citizens can do, besides maybe serving in the military, serving on a jury, or running for elected office...


Guess what ???? :krs:......You need official government ID to do any of those civic activities.

You lost the debate. :umad:
 
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I didn't ignore receipts. Claiming there is little voter fraud doesn't dismiss the need to secure the integrity of the process. I think we need better oversight of these machines as well. I think we need to get receipts showing exactly who I voted for on that machine

Are you seriously comparing literacy tests to having an official government ID. :snoop: If you mean racists Republicans being racist Republicans then there is a parallel, of course back in the day it was racist Democrats in the South, but showing an ID is nowhere near as repugnant as a fuucking literacy test.....please stop. :whoa: You're making a mockery of yourself.

I can't debate someone that strays from the conversation at hand. Voting is probably the most sacred civic duty we as citizens can do, besides maybe serving in the military, serving on a jury, or running for elected office...


Guess what ???? :krs:......You need official government ID to do any of those civic activities.

You lost the debate. :umad:

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