NFL All-Time Power Rankings, by conference

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So basically someone saying the Giants are too high on the ALL time list and my response using 8 NFL chips, 4 in the modern era led you to quote me with an argument for the Bucs to be ranked higher? Makes no sense to say the Giants are not elite in the Modern era.

Only the Cowboys and 9ers have more championships in the NFC all time and GB has 4 just like us.

NYG last SB - 2011
GB last SB - 2010
Dallas last SB - 1995
9ers last SB - 1994

So I’ll ask again:
Who should rank higher than NYG?
Where should the Bucs rank?

This entire shyt is subjective. You can make an argument for any of the 17 teams with more wins than the Giants over the last 30 years.


I can expand this out to 50 years and the Giants drop even further down.


If you want to use Super Bowls as a caliber, then yes, I agree the Giants are near the top. With that logic, then the Bucs aren't that far behind them and should be higher on the list compared to the other teams. If you want to use wins over the last 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years, then the Giants are middle-to-below average. If you want to use a combination, then you put them where you want. Do whatever you want. My point is that if you use Super Bowls, then the Bucs should be higher than they are & just below the Giants.

I don't know how you made a mountain out of a molehill from this :mindblown:
 

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This entire shyt is subjective. You can make an argument for any of the 17 teams with more wins than the Giants over the last 30 years.


I can expand this out to 50 years and the Giants drop even further down.


If you want to use Super Bowls as a caliber, then yes, I agree the Giants are near the top. With that logic, then the Bucs aren't that far behind them and should be higher on the list compared to the other teams. If you want to use wins over the last 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years, then the Giants are middle-to-below average. If you want to use a combination, then you put them where you want. Do whatever you want. My point is that if you use Super Bowls, then the Bucs should be higher than they are & just below the Giants.

I don't know how you made a mountain out of a molehill from this :mindblown:
If you do an ALL TIME ranking of franchises, then yes SBs and NFL Championships have to come into play. As well as Conference Championships, overall Wins/Loss record, etc. Using all of that, there aren’t any teams to rank over the NYG.

By the way, the “modern era” is considered from the SB1 through today. Not the past decade.

Your point is still incorrect as well. :manny:
 

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@murksiderock if Vikings win a chip, they're ahead of the Bears and on top of tier 2 for sure

If they get 2 chips, they are ahead of the Packers
 

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I think there's a lot more argument if you did the league as a whole.

Based on OP rankings, the top 5 NFC teams would all slot between Pittsburgh and the Raiders, while the bottom 6 AFC teams would all be between the Falcons and Cardinals

Good idea, entire league as a whole I'd put:

HEAVYWEIGHT TIER
Patriots
49ers
Cowboys
Packers
Steelers
Giants
Raiders
Broncos

ALMOST ELITE TIER
Rams
Commanders
Colts
Eagles
Dolphins
Bears
Vikings
Chiefs

NOT ALL BAD, NOT QUITE GREAT TIER 😆
Bills
Seahawks
Ravens
Browns
Titans
Chargers
Bengals
Buccaneers

HISTORICALLY WORST FRANCHISES
Panthers
Saints
Falcons
Jets
Cardinals
Lions
Jaguars
Texans
 

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i just view it this way... Titans and Chargers have only been to 1 Super Bowl and never won. They may be better regular season teams but the name of the game is to advance as far as you can.. Bengals have been to the Super Bowl 3 times so they have 3 AFC championships and they never got blown out in the Super Bowl either.

It's a close enough argument that it's not something I entirely disagree with. I see it slightly differently but it's certainly e great case fir Cincy over those two...

Vikings would probably be in the elite echelon with just one Super Bowl

Nah every team in my heavyweight class has at least 3 Super Bowls. Vikings gotta put in some real work to reach that upper echelon...

@murksiderock if Vikings win a chip, they're ahead of the Bears and on top of tier 2 for sure

If they get 2 chips, they are ahead of the Packers

Chicago is probably done with 2 max from Minny, maybe even 1. They not catching GB with two...

The top of Minnesota's tier is loaded with squads who have several periods of elite runs and took home championships during those periods. Again the Vikings gotta put in some real work to rise to the top of that tier...
 

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Raiders and Skins been ass for 20+ years and are still GOAT 10 organizations in my opinion. The NFL wins if Washington ever becomes elite again, this same list done 20-25 years has Washington around #5, give or take a spot...

Same thing with the Raiders, if they ever become consistently elite again. I'm pretty sure The League, which obviously isn't hurting for money, would be boosted with even more if two of its more historic organizations start winning again. Both squads had massive pull from beyond their home markets and you'll see a Renaissance of that of they are great again...
 

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Good idea, entire league as a whole I'd put:

HEAVYWEIGHT TIER
Patriots
49ers
Cowboys
Packers
Steelers
Giants
Raiders
Broncos

ALMOST ELITE TIER
Rams
Commanders
Colts
Eagles
Dolphins
Bears
Vikings
Chiefs

NOT ALL BAD, NOT QUITE GREAT TIER 😆
Bills
Seahawks
Ravens
Browns
Titans
Chargers
Bengals
Buccaneers

HISTORICALLY WORST FRANCHISES
Panthers
Saints
Falcons
Jets
Cardinals
Lions
Jaguars
Texans
Explain to me how the Titans, Chargers, and Bengals are all better than the entire NFC South? :gucci:
 

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Explain to me how the Titans, Chargers, and Bengals are all better than the entire NFC South? :gucci:

The NFC South is the losingest division ever in regular season win percentage (.445). The Buccaneers have the most championships in that division and not only have the worst regular season win percentage in the division (.404), it's the worst regular season win percentage of all 32 franchises...

Yes, you read that right. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a worse regular season win percentage than the woeful Cardinals or Texans or Lions or Jets. In the regular season, they are the worst team ever of all the teams that exist today...

And yet they STILL may be the best team in that division historically. That tells you how bad the division is...

The Bucs are saved by two sustained periods of relevance: the Dungy-to-Gruden era (1996-2008), and the Brady era (2020-present). This is 16 seasons of great and sometimes elite football, with a win percentage of .554, won both of their Super Bowl appearances, won two of their three NFCCG appearances, and made the playoffs 10 of those 16 years. For some context, if that .554 was their entire history win percentage, it would be 6th highest ever...

For about a third of their existence, the Bucs have basically the Ravens historical background...

The problem then, is there is another ~65% of their history where they weren't just bad, their fukking five-alarm fire terrible. In their other 30 seasons Tampa is 156-327 (.323), with only TWO playoff appearances in those 30 years. This is Detroit bad, x5. Detroit in no 30-year interval has missed the playoffs 28 times. This tells you historically awful the Bucs are outside of their 16 year success streak...

Again I'm honing in on Tampa to illustrate my point about the NFC South, because I think they are the GOAT NFC South team, by a hair. They were better, by a hair, in their 16 years, than the Saints were in the Brees/Payton 15 years. We know the Saints outside of those 15 years are arguably even worse than Tampa...

The Panthers don't even have 15 years of relevance. They had 2003-08, the John Fox era, and then the Peak Cam years, 2013-17. 11 years of high level ball. The Falcons are the worst team on that division, traditionally they have a hot year or two and then disappear back into obscurity. They had a 10-year run in the Matt Ryan era, 2008-17, that is there only sustained period of success, the same Ryan Falcons heads shyt on. If it weren't for him we'd be talking about the worst team in NFL history...

So that's the thing, this entire division has strong arguments as the worst team in league history. Carolina is the only one with a winning playoff record. Carolina also has the highest regular season win percentage in that division, at .472---->which is still lower than both the Titans and Chargers...

The Titans, Chargers, and Bengals all have three or more eras of sustained success in their histories, no one in the NFC South has more than two (and again the Saints and Falcons, albeit 10+ year runs, only have one single era of relevance on their resumes)...

Titans, Chargers, Bengals have just been relevant across eras to more generations of football fans than any South team. Their entire bodies of work are just better---->note that it isn't by much, as I have those AFC teams and the NFC South squads in succession one right after the other...

Bears are too low man. It's only post lovie that they have struggled.

This is false...

The Bears were fukking garbage from 1966 to 1976, and this particularly doesn't make them look good at all, as it aligns with The Merger and appears as if the added competitiveness of a larger league revealed a franchise who dominated when it was one game playoffs, kinda like a criticism against Russell's Celtics...

They were garbage again in the early 80s, garbage again from about '96 to '04 besides the fluke 13-3 year, and this "post-Lovie" trash run has been 12 years and counting besides the fluke Nagy year...

The Bears have been pretty terrible for the better part of 55 years, and are still a Top 15 All-Time organization on the backs of their first 45 years in existence, and that '84 to '94 run...
 

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I can agree with Titans, Chargers, Bengals in their own tier...

Man no, Eagles ain't over Washington yet 😂
The 80s window for Washington isn't enough for me, the Commanders they've basically fallen off a cliff while the Eagles have been much more consistent for the last 30 years and are 2nd behind Dallas in division titles. Pre-80s is a wash and at best it's an overall wash.
 
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