NFL Week 12: What Have We Learned?!!

[b. woods]

Dez Bryant put up 40 TDs in 3 seasons.
Injuries ruined his career.
Don't disrespect Dez like that.
Pickens is a legit #1 WR.
You don't have to diminish and discredit CeeDee and Dez to prop up Pickens.
I'm tired of seeing this everywhere.

Like Mike @smitty22

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I was told a QB having offensive weapons is bad for their MVP campaign/consideration
Or is that only applicable to black QBs?

Ehh, I get your point but when Brock was being pushed for MVP('23) his weapons was used against him(rightfully so) especially with CMC in the running. Like 80% of the talking heads on tv brought up the fact that CMC was the real MVP on that team, not brock and how he had an "avengers" lineup of talent.

 

[Blessings]

Ehh, I get your point but when Brock was being pushed for MVP('23) his weapons was used against him(rightfully so) especially with CMC in the running. Like 80% of the talking heads on tv brought up the fact that CMC was the real MVP on that team, not brock and how he had an "avengers" lineup of talent.

Jimmy G, and other QBs who were given a few games functioning in Kyle Shanahan's offense
CMC doesn't need Brock to cook


Summer 2024, they called Derrick Henry washed.
Cool...but we know Lamar increases the floor and ceiling of his RBs

 

[IIVI]

I was told a QB having offensive weapons is bad for their MVP campaign/consideration
Or is that only applicable to black QBs?


Not comin' at y'all...speaking towards the disingenuous media narratives

Yeah, media definitely picks and chooses the narrative no doubt about that.

When you have crazy WR’s like this I think you’re expected to put up crazy raw passing numbers.

QB will always get the glory though, but for the MVP talk to hit they got to keep INT numbers low. Stafford in this case is keeping INT’s and bad passes extremely low. That’s definitely due partly to having a crazy duo at WR (and reliable weapons at other places). However, dude is also throwing some ridiculous dimes, no look passes, etc. Even with this WR duo I think he’s clearly MVP as he’s doing his part to make them get some easy passes.

Another thing is dude has basically killed the narrative that he spams one WR, which is great because it keeps the WR’s healthy. Stafford putting the football everywhere just makes them exponentially harder to defend.

If they get the job done I say you put this trio next to other notable ones creating an offensive engine:
Mahomes/Kelce/Hill
Warner/Bruce/****
Manning/Harrison/Wayne
Brady/Gronk/Edelman
Stafford/Puka/Adams

Looking at the list, how easy they make it look when they’re clicking honestly reminds me of the Manning Colts the most. These WR’s/Stafford are all seeing the same thing on the field.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

You arguing something different than your original post I responded to. This was your post:

I was told a QB having offensive weapons is bad for their MVP campaign/consideration
Or is that only applicable to black QBs?


Not comin' at y'all...speaking towards the disingenuous media narratives

A majority of the media(SAS/FT, Nick/FTF, Cam Newton) brought up brock's offensive weapons to diminish Brock's MVP campaign. I dont remember Kelce/Hill being held against Mahomes either.

I see you venting because Lamar didnt win it against Josh last year, I get it.

 

[Blessings]

You arguing something different than your original post I responded to. This was your post:

A majority of the media(SAS/FT, Nick/FTF, Cam Newton) brought up brock's offensive weapons to diminish Brock's MVP campaign. I dont remember Kelce/Hill being held against Mahomes either.

I see you venting because Lamar didnt win it against Josh last year, I get it.

My post is about why Brock's MVP campaign was marginalized.
Kyle Shanahan, and Jimmy G's SB appearance run isn't moving the goalpost.
A lot of people believe Purdy is a QB-friendly system and is by-product of the system and players around him. (I personally disagree)

 

[Blessings]

Yeah, media definitely picks and chooses the narrative no doubt about that.

When you have crazy WR’s like this I think you’re expected to put up crazy raw passing numbers.

QB will always get the glory though, but for the MVP talk to hit they got to keep INT numbers low. Stafford in this case is keeping INT’s and bad passes extremely low. That’s definitely due partly to having a crazy duo at WR (and reliable weapons at other places). However, dude is also throwing some ridiculous dimes, no look passes, etc. Even with this WR duo I think he’s clearly MVP as he’s doing his part to make them get some easy passes.

Another thing is dude has basically killed the narrative that he spams one WR, which is great because it keeps the WR’s healthy. Stafford putting the football everywhere just makes them exponentially harder to defend.

If they get the job done I say you put this trio next to other notable ones creating an offensive engine:
Mahomes/Kelce/Hill
Warner/Bruce/****
Manning/Harrison/Wayne
Brady/Gronk/Edelman
Stafford/Puka/Adams

Looking at the list, how easy they make it look when they’re clicking honestly reminds me of the Manning Colts the most. These WR’s/Stafford are all seeing the same thing on the field.

I agree with everything you're saying, and Stafford is leading MVP. I'm bringing up the media hypocrisy.

Lamar threw 41 TD/4 INTs 119.5 QB rating, and 915 yards rushing

The 4 INTs are flukes



Plays like


nikka lookin' like Curry with fadeways, no looks, and dimes




Ain't no 1 yard TD vultring

 

[Doctor Doom]

George Pickens is the WR people thought Dez Bryant was supposed to be and he might be better than CeeDee Lamb.

Dez Bryant slander in 2025, oh my days

 

[IIVI]

I agree with everything you're saying, and Stafford is leading MVP. I'm bringing up the media hypocrisy.

Lamar threw 41 TD/4 INTs 119.5 QB rating, and 915 yards rushing

The 4 INTs are flukes



Plays like


nikka lookin' like Curry with fadeways, no looks, and dimes




Ain't no 1 yard TD vultring

Yeah, I definitely thought Lamar deserved MVP that year. The narrative that he didn’t was basically cherry-picking, which you can do for anyone that isn’t perfect.

You can cherry-pick every single MVP season and say done bullshyt like “Why didn’t he throw 60 TD’s?” Unfortunately people take it to those kinds of extremes. 41 TD’s/4 INT’s is crazy.

Even for the Rams though, they still got to win it to make it stick. The trio doesn’t join all the other great trios if they don’t get the Ring.

 

[the next guy]

the 49ers will probably need to move for josh allen in 2 years, or least before the rams do in 2028/29. Purdy is good but this is looking like a Jared Goff situation

 

[Supa]

KeLLen lookin like a damn lemon in N.O.

Forcing Sean P.'s stepson Taysom Hill-Payton in the Redzone instead of giving Shuck much-needed reps

I'm talking about him as an OC not head coach. Eagles just needed someone halfway decent and he was that.

 

[Bop Gun]

Sirianni is a mid level head coach who's carried by his GM and coordinators. When he sucked an play calling he turned it over to Shane who got the offense clicking all the way to the Super Bowl. Shane leaves and the offense falls off. Nick refuses to take over play calling. Kellen comes in and they win the chip. Kellen leaves and the offense is back to looking as bad as 2 seasons ago. Nick refuses to demote or fire his guy he promoted to OC. He refuses to take over play calling.

The front office should step in and fire Patullo. Nick won't do it because he knows if he has to call plays he'll get exposed. If they flame out in the playoffs he should be on the hot seat if not fired.

Every season of Jalen Hurts NFL career, he has had a different Offensive Coordinator.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I was told a QB having offensive weapons is bad for their MVP campaign/consideration
Or is that only applicable to black QBs?


Not comin' at y'all...speaking towards the disingenuous media narratives

Told by who?

It’s funny that you mention that rhetoric considering you’re notorious for using Burrow’s weapons against him.

Don’t be a hypocrite