"nice guys aren't really nice" is a Cop out women use
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Trapperman Dave
Basil Fawty
It's a lot of truth on both sides, i consider myself a nice dude but not to the point of guilt trippin females if they only want to be friends that's fine by me.
I'm on page 2 and people already up in they feelings 
Bless't
Living the dream
Yeah, I agree with the bold. You get to a certain age and its just not feasible for an adult male and female to be "best friends". You pointed out a few side perks that come with having a woman as a friend in general but to actually invest YOUR personal time into someone you're not trying to build something with... is pointless to me. I have my personal hobbies/interests/things to do in my down time and feel if the both of us do have these same things in common, why would I not want to sleep with her and see if it leads to something?
Generally speaking men who are successful with women are that way because they know what they have to offer and they know the type of girls who would go for them.
The guys who are unsuccessful either don't know what they have to offer or they are angry because what they have to offer isn't good enough for the specific women they want
The guys who are unsuccessful either don't know what they have to offer or they are angry because what they have to offer isn't good enough for the specific women they want
Playa With Tha Passport
Mr International
Bs 
I think the problem with alot of these so-called nice guys is that they don't want to creep a girl out
And they don't want to look thirsty.
Which is understandable but you need some level of thirst to get what you want. Plus, Bytch ain't gonna make the first move unless she's a crazy slut so you might as well go for the kill
And they don't want to look thirsty.
Which is understandable but you need some level of thirst to get what you want. Plus, Bytch ain't gonna make the first move unless she's a crazy slut so you might as well go for the kill
Most legitimately good-hearted people don't have to say that they are. Everyone who has interacted with them will do that talking for them, and that's when you'll know that said man or woman is a real gem. I know that because I've encountered a handful of genuinely good people in life. I used to be that "nice guy" who was trying to show interest in some female the only way I knew how/thought would work: noticing shyt not many others do, boosting up her confidence and shyt, being there to confide in, all that spousal shyt without the benefits. Then, the last person I "went hard at" like that (notice the quotations, because the "nice guy" doesn't really lay it out there like that. His "game" is finesse/subtle, try to put the ball in the girl's court and make her scoop him up because he's always there. While that approach can work for some, in the hands of the "nice guy," it's kind of cowardly, when you think about it) was like, "nah." I wondered where I fukked up, what I did wrong.
What it boiled down to is that she didn't find me attractive. But when I got that rejection, those rose-colored glasses came off and I saw every last one of her flaws. That's what you would call being "fake nice." Eventually I realized that I had lost my self-respect, I was being Mr. Heart of Gold for the wrong reasons, and I realized that if I wanted to really be seen a good dude instead of a "nice guy", I'd have to do so with no fukks given about what I got out of it. I'd like to think that I'm a decent cat but at the end of the day, only the company I keep can really confirm whether or not I really am.
With that said, you can call it a cop out all you want, but in my experiences and observation, if a woman is feeling you, she will ignore damn near every red flag, clear every hurdle and move every mountain in her way to make it happen. It doesn't matter if you're "nice," nice, mean, bitter, etc. I will say this, though, it's actually much more considerate for both parties to just be straight up with intentions from the jump. If you're chatting up some girl just because you want to smash, hell, say so. If she's down, she's down (and in this day and age, if you catch somebody on the right day, you can get it in if you just ask/know how to ask. Today's generation is a lot more sexually liberated), if she's not, and she makes that clear from the jump, then take that rejection as her being considerate of your time and feelings and keep it moving.
I'll say this though. If you believe that a man or a woman isn't owed anything sexually for being nice and doing favors for someone they're interested in (they don't), then you have no right to complain about them ceasing to do nice things for you after you make it clear that they aren't getting anything out of it. Call me crazy, but I think most people generally treat their spouses better than they do the average person. If you're not someone's spouse, you get no spousal benefits.
What it boiled down to is that she didn't find me attractive. But when I got that rejection, those rose-colored glasses came off and I saw every last one of her flaws. That's what you would call being "fake nice." Eventually I realized that I had lost my self-respect, I was being Mr. Heart of Gold for the wrong reasons, and I realized that if I wanted to really be seen a good dude instead of a "nice guy", I'd have to do so with no fukks given about what I got out of it. I'd like to think that I'm a decent cat but at the end of the day, only the company I keep can really confirm whether or not I really am.
With that said, you can call it a cop out all you want, but in my experiences and observation, if a woman is feeling you, she will ignore damn near every red flag, clear every hurdle and move every mountain in her way to make it happen. It doesn't matter if you're "nice," nice, mean, bitter, etc. I will say this, though, it's actually much more considerate for both parties to just be straight up with intentions from the jump. If you're chatting up some girl just because you want to smash, hell, say so. If she's down, she's down (and in this day and age, if you catch somebody on the right day, you can get it in if you just ask/know how to ask. Today's generation is a lot more sexually liberated), if she's not, and she makes that clear from the jump, then take that rejection as her being considerate of your time and feelings and keep it moving.
I'll say this though. If you believe that a man or a woman isn't owed anything sexually for being nice and doing favors for someone they're interested in (they don't), then you have no right to complain about them ceasing to do nice things for you after you make it clear that they aren't getting anything out of it. Call me crazy, but I think most people generally treat their spouses better than they do the average person. If you're not someone's spouse, you get no spousal benefits.
The thing that you are missing is that for many guys casual flings are just as difficult. When making comparisons across genders you must account for the different value systems. Sure getting sex is easy and requires no effort and doesn't have a bunch of factors for a woman but for man that's not 6'2 or rich or doesn't have the gift of gab or a lot of confidence/self-worth, it's just as hard to get as a relationship. As a matter of fact it's even harder to get than a relationship. The friendzone has all of the qualities of a relationship minus sex and exclusivity. Most guys have no problem getting into the friendzone and maintaining an intimate, supportive relationship with no sex. If the guy was having flings with these chicks then he wouldn't be taking L's.
The fact is he's trying to get into a relationship (something most females say they want) and he 's getting rejected constantly while his friend who gives no fukks and is all about the p*ssy (something most females say they don't want) is getting all the p*ssy he can stand. From an objective and logical place this does not add up. Just by pure probability, a guy in pursuit of a relationship should be more successful than a guy who just wants to fukk, if women are being real that is. I never hear women complaining about how they can't get dikk or can't find an a$$hole that doesn't care. Women complain about men being shytty and not wanting to commit. There are plenty of women in relationships with shytty dudes who don't want to commit. Thusly, you would think that a guy who as all about being good to women and committing would have some level of success. Now I am not saying that females should get with him just because he's nice or that he deserves anything other than what he's getting. I am just saying if you go by what is said by women and pure probability something isn't adding up.
El negrito de tejas
Fukk the govt I got my own Deficit
I'm conflicted on what I wanna add to the discussion.
Just be yourself around women. They'll respect that your staying true to yourself and me personally I've had better results that way.
Just be yourself around women. They'll respect that your staying true to yourself and me personally I've had better results that way.
now ik why 70% of certain women are single
PartyHeart
All Star
The bolded simply isn't true. First of all, despite the fact that men love to assume that getting sex requires zero effort for women, its simply not a matter of going outside and saying I want sex and having a bunch of men line up. On a side note...even though undesirable men find it hard to believe, desirable men do have options and do not necessarily need to jump at the opportunity to have sex with a woman he finds fat or nasty or unattractive. And if your next comment is well women can get sex with zero effort from undesirable men, that may be true. But men can also pay for sex and reduce their difficulty as well, but then that becomes an undesirable situation for them. I'm not saying its the same level of difficulty, tbh thats a moot point in this discussion, but again just pointing out how you are oversimplifying life to fit into a neat box that it really doesn't fit in.
The real discussion here however, is the relationship aspect, and you continue to miss my point in that regard. So lets just focus on that. I can tell you right now without flinching that a man having a harder time getting sex than getting the relationship he wants is an outright lie and doesn't make logical sense. The interesting thing is that you have basically admitted this in a roundabout way in your post. If you believe women can go outside and get sex with zero effort from men right now, what does that have to say about the factors that a man considers when it comes to sex? They must be, if not non-existent like you've alluded to when it was convenient, sufficiently lower than what he considers for a relationship.
Simply put, while a guy might just need a girl to be open to sex and attractive (and not even that in some cases) for something casual, and a woman might equally just need a guy to be open to sex and attractive for something casual, the requirements aren't going to be so simple for either of them to actually want to be in a relationship with each other. Not only are the requirements going to be more, but the requirements will have to intersect with the two people over an extended period for the relationship to be maintained. Which at the end of the day makes a relationship much harder to get and maintain than a casual sex romp, which is why his and your comparisons are not and will not be apples to apples.
my nikka said you're a masculine female lmfaooo whatgo away
Neil Tyson
YYZ
People who say they are a nice guy, thus they are entitled. Like Elliot Rodgers if he hadn't killed anybody. That's who they refer to.
People who are nice guys, and they do not feel entitled to anything are the true nice guys. What bugs me tho is they think there is more of the former than there is the latter. So they put the true nice guys with the Elliot Rodgers to justify their slutty behaviour.
People who are nice guys, and they do not feel entitled to anything are the true nice guys. What bugs me tho is they think there is more of the former than there is the latter. So they put the true nice guys with the Elliot Rodgers to justify their slutty behaviour.