Nick Cannon on Slavery Never Existing If it Weren't for Guns

[xoxodede]

Like I stated, these ppl didn't know cacs would treat the Africans less than humans.


Madam Tinubu in Nigeria and Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom, those Africans that initially gave African captives to the Europeans came to resist the slave trade. Tinubu had a change of heart when she realized how inhumanely the slaves were treated. Afonso was almost assassinated by the Portuguese after he demanded an end to the slave trade in his kingdom.

Yeah OK....

Madam Tinubu in Nigeria

She helped install Adele’s son, Oluwole, as the new king and married his military advisor, Yesefu Bada. She also continued to expand her trade network by monopolizing slaves and palm oil, and offering firearms obtained from the Europeans, which increased her wealth during the Yoruba Wars of the 1840s and 1850s. ​

In December 1851 and under the pretext of abolishing slavery, the British bombarded Lagos, dislodged Kosoko from the throne, and installed a more amenable Akitoye as Oba of Lagos. Though Akitoye signed a treaty with Britain outlawing the slave trade, Tinubu subverted the 1852 treaty[11] and secretly traded slaves for guns with Brazilians and Portuguese traders.[12] Further, she obtained a tract of land from Akitoye which now constitutes part of the present-day Tinubu Square and Kakawa Street. Later, a conflict developed between Tinubu and some slave traders including Possu, a Kosoko loyalist. Consequently, Possu, Ajenia, and other traders tried to instigate an uprising against Akitoye because of Madam Tinubu's influence in Lagos.​

Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom

He reigned 1509 to late 1542 or 1543 and it was the Kongo-Portuguese slave trade not the TransAtlantic Slave Trade.

And though he may have "resisted" he gave in.

Although Afonso was outspokenly opposed to slavery and initially fought the Portuguese demand for human beings, he eventually relented in order to sustain the economy of the Kongo. Initially Afonso sent war captives and criminals to be sold as slaves to the Portuguese. Eventually Portuguese demand for slaves exceeded the country's potential supply, prompting them to search for slaves in neighboring regions.​

Afonso let this situation continue for as long as it did as an attempt to not be overtly rude to the Portuguese, as he had actively required their help to solve various conflicts within his Kingdom. Afonso I also had been attempting to resolve the situation diplomatically through letters to the Vatican as well as to Portugal. The responses told him that they had little intention of altering the actions of the Portuguese traders. The Portuguese regarded the slave trade as nothing more than typical commerce. This is why the commission was established. The Portuguese showed clear disdain with the condition of the slave economics of the Kongo and attempted to assassinate Afonso I in 1540. This attempt resulted failure.

 

[MaxPain]

@xoxodede dont bother arguing with that castrated mentally ill simp. He doesnt like the truth when its staring him in the face even if u have the facts to back it up.

 

[xoxodede]

What I dont like is that you cac, c00ns, and fake black accounts keep repeating racist lies. Sure some sold slaves, but not the level you try to put across. Africa is a large continent. One African king or a hand full of tribes selling slaves is not the entire Africa. Again you will never acknowledge the rape, pillage, lying, stealing, and killing these cacs do because its the same shyt racist say when they tell people that all slaves where happy.

Cute.

And what I don't like is people who don't know what the f*ck they are talking about.

I don't have to prove my blackness or racial pride/love to you.

Plus, did I say Africa the CONTINENT. Nah. I am clear and detailed about my statements. I stated West Africa (and Central)

I'm the first to call out White people, White Supremacist and anyone else who was involved in my ancestors enslavement. And that also includes documented African Kingdoms, Tribes and leaders. So, you can run that ish on somebody else.

I'm a history head. I just don't talk shyt on the Internet -- calling people "Cacs," "C00ns -- or whatever dumb ass groupthink trigger words.

 

[Londilon]

Cute.

And what I don't like is people who don't know what the f*ck they are talking about.

I don't have to proof my blackness or racial pride/love to you.

Plus, did I say Africa the CONTINENT. Nah. I am clear and detailed about my statements. I have stated West Africa (and Central)

I'm the first to call out White people, White Supremacist and anyone else who was involved in my ancestors enslavement.And that also includes the documented African Kingdoms, Tribes and leaders. So, you can run that ish on somebody else.

I'm a history head. I just don't talk shyt on the Internet -- calling people "Cacs," "C00ns -- or whatever dumb ass groupthink trigger words.

I dont care what a cac or c00n likes.

 

[MaxPain]

I dont care what a cac or c00n likes.

But u are one. Oddly enough

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I'm not sure what's there to debate. Mentioning the role of African chiefs so to argue against the impact of technological weaponry on conflicts and colonialism? that seem like an attempt at forcing an unnecessary debate. It's like you're arguing a totally different point from what the thread is about, which is simply...what was the impact of guns on Blackfolk's enslavement

Nick is correct and has been a real dude for awhile now

Also I find it odd that we would call the African Chiefs koon for securing the bag and feeding their people at the expense of folks that look like him but we cape for nikkas doing the same today. Is it due to the word "slavery" that has folks react differently to self serving nikkas of today. I gotta ask my circle for their thoughts at the next meetup

I agree with Nick, but the issue also isn't that slavery didn't exist before. The nature of slavery prior to the transatlantic slave trade was completely different. Namely people weren't treated worse than animals, stripped of their families, tortured, etc. It was more forced indentured servitude and usually was the L you took for losing a war. People didn't just come and snatch you and make you a slave either, there was protocol.

So when certain African chiefs and rulers sold these prisoners of war into slavery they had an entire different concept in their mind than what the White men created. Doesn't make it right, but shifts the perspective a bit.

thread had me nervous how nikkas irresponsibly use the term "slavery" to equate the Black experience with other peoples' "slavery" experiences

Also, with the selling of slaves, let's also remember, nobody thought that these slaves would be treated badly how these cacs treated them. raped, hung, pissed on, spit on, dehumanized, the cacs did this. Let's most 100 keep that in mind.
Let's keep that in mind as well. Slaves being sold to cacs and treated by cacs was wayyyyyy different to how the slave treatment was done in Africa.
A small portion of Kings in Africa, very small may have had a hand in aid'n but let's not think they knew how badly the cacs would treat the Africans.

I agree but it's dangerous and wrong for those in this thread to use this fact to justify equally blaming the Chiefs and Euros for "slavery". Such a viewpoint doesn't provide the necessary context to convey the different experience of Black folks' enslavement and other people's enslavement

 

[Taadow]

I agree with Nick, but the issue also isn't that slavery didn't exist before. The nature of slavery prior to the transatlantic slave trade was completely different. Namely people weren't treated worse than animals, stripped of their families, tortured, etc. It was more forced indentured servitude and usually was the L you took for losing a war. People didn't just come and snatch you and make you a slave either, there was protocol.

So when certain African chiefs and rulers sold these prisoners of war into slavery they had an entire different concept in their mind than what the White men created. Doesn't make it right, but shifts the perspective a bit.

Thank you for this sense.

 

[BigMan]

Elaborate.

blaming Africans more than Europeans
no Africans me took across the Atlantic, raped my family, destroyed my culture, and forced me into slavery for centuries
yall need to make your minds on whether yall hate Africans or not

 

[Michael's Black Son]

I dunnno

I can't watch vlad tv

Exactly. fukk Vlad

 

[Safe]

This is correct. I am currently reading the story of the Last Cargo slave and he (Kassola, Cudjo Lewis, the last cargo) mentioned the Dahomey King/Empire how they would capture slaves. He, the last cargo, Kassola, was capture by the Dahomey King who beheaded Kassola's King in his hometown who tried to prevent the attack on his village. The king from Kassola's hometown didn't want to be brought back to Dahomey to be a slave so they beheaded him, by one of the Dahomey women warriors. The Dahomey Empire had women warriors who would round up the Africans who was trying to escape and behead them. Beheading the ppl was like a bragging right or something, (I may need to re-read that part again) they would carry the heads back to Dahomey, each men sometimes carrying 2 to 3 heads, along with the ppl that they captured. They had guns when they would raid these places along with machetes and knives

That's a great book to get, every black person should get it, The Last Cargo, the dude, Kassola really goes into depth on how the Dahomey King would capture and sell slaves. There were newspaper articles that the king of Dahomey put out that reached all the way over to the Americas, all the way down to Alabama that stated the Dahomey King was selling slaves, even after the end of the Trans-slave trade was announced by Britain, US and France. The Dahomey King still wanted to sell slaves, also cacs that were in Africa, would ignite the kings to start wars with neighboring tribes to get slaves, that played a big part as well. The Dahomey King would sell the slaves, the cacs couldn't dock their ships on the coast, so the ships would be out in the ocean, along the boarders, so they would have to use small life-size boats to transport the slaves off the shore to the ships, they would load the slaves, and the Dahomey King would send some of his warriors to recapture the slaves from the cacs on some getting over type shyt, some times it worked, some times it didn't, but most of the time those that were captured were sold.

But that book goes into real dark details on how The Dahomey Kings did their thing.

The book just came out on Tuesday, read it day one its a very short read too. But the details are amazing. I loved how he detailed how marriage was done back then, it explains why Black men are how we are. It's in our DNA to have multiple wives. But that's a tangent for another time.

One thing he makes clear is back then they had a flag system. If a tribe came out with a red flag, war was waged on them because red meant they were telling the other tribe eat a dikk, you gotta work for this win. White flags meant surrender, and the most interesting was the black flag which mean the tribe they were trying to conquer had no king or a king who was underage. THE OPPOSING TRIBE WOULD SKIP THIS TRIBE. As they viewed it as unfair to attack another tribe with an underaged king. So that's a great example of the protocols they had in place for war.

Yeah they collected heads, very morbid. And the more skulls and heads a ruler had the greater his stature because it meant more enemies under his feet.

Great book everyone should read it.

 

[Londilon]

But u are one. Oddly enough

you are the one blaming black people for why slavery happened in America instead of blaming cac. All that because your scared white people are becoming a minority. So obsessed with black people that you pretend to be black on a black forum.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

thats because no one had a gun at that time

The coli has too many mentally ill people one here

I wasn't even serious, because I don't believe in the bible.

 

[EdJo]

Im done

Fam read up on it, it wasnt just the clinate, it was diseases like malaria and other stuff, white men could barely last a month in deep Africa...

Tribalism & the love of money fukked the slaves over, period...

I mentioned Afghanistan bc they never been conquered. U dont need to be some world power with advanced weaponry to fight off invaders, u need unity & a will to fight. No weak links. America fought off the British who were once a world power at the time so....

You are actually right here. They were dying, and Africans helped them. Africans have been making healing drinks, for the longest. Borututu drinks were used to save them with malaria and other diseases.
Borututu - Wikipedia

Too bad a lot of you don't speak portuguese. This guy is explaining how the natives saved Europeans. Funny, he is making a lot of money with traditional black products. He sells borututu and pau de cabinda. Pau de Cabinda is very famous in Europe, they say it is better than viagra...

 

[MaxPain]

you are the one blaming black people for why slavery happened in America instead of blaming cac. All that because your scared white people are becoming a minority. So obsessed with black people that you pretend to be black on a black forum.

Ok c00n

 

[TaxCollector13459]

That doesnt mean shyt...they could barely survive in Africas climate let alone run up in it...it was tribes selling their own slaves

That advanced weaponry argument holds no weight when cave dwellin countries like Afghanistan fought back the Russians...

We gave the afganis ratchets too though