Nick Wright: "Kobe was never the best player in the league once in his career"

[Taadow]

Truth.

 

[Controversy]

Kobe owned the 2000's

And he was the most skilled two way player in the league but he was never the best?

Who else owned Duncan in the playoffs?

 

[Roman Brady]

He's right Jordan, Shaq/Duncan then Bron as far as league wide. As far as guards AI, Mcgrady and Wade all took turns at points so the premise of this discussion isn't that crazy

 

[Depreciating Asset]

so nobody was calling bron the best when he destroyed detroit in the 07 playoffs and then was leading the cavs to 60-win seasons with mo williams as his sidekick?

Poster is right that almost no one would say that LeBron was better but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. I remember thinking how the Lakers would have been better if they could just trade Kobe for Bron straight up. Bron shot more efficiently, was a better passer and was a great defender. The only thing stopping him back then was his teammates and his head trash. I think he might have shrunk under the bright lights if he had faced Boston and Orlando in the finals where as Kobe (though he shot terribly) rose to the occasion when it mattered. But to me Bron was already a better player.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Poster is right that almost no one would say that LeBron was better but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. I remember thinking how the Lakers would have been better if they could just trade Kobe for Bron straight up. Bron shot more efficiently, was a better passer and was a great defender. The only thing stopping him back then was his teammates and his head trash. I think he might have shrunk under the bright lights if he had faced Boston and Orlando in the finals where as Kobe (though he shot terribly) rose to the occasion when it mattered. But to me Bron was already a better player.

He played noticeably better against both Orlando and Boston than Kobe did. His team lost because nobody really showed up and Mike brown got embarrassed by SVG and doc rivers.

 

[Houston911]

Fukk this transracial dikk eater

@Nick wright

 

[stepbackj34spud]

05-06 and maybe 06-07.. he definitely wasn't better than Bron in 07-08

 

[John Reena]

Nick Wright wearing purple pants in that clip. Nuff said.

 

[Black Hans]

*Agrees with Nick Wright*

Kobe was never THE guy in the league. There was always Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, TMac, or Lebron who were considered his equal or above him when he played.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I mean...you can make the argument there was always one or two guys who had better individual seasons than him, but he had more longevitiy and consistency and I think that means he's ahead of a lot of the people who had better seasons than him when making an all-time list

Lose played 20yrs, didn't win the title 75% did not make the playoffs 50%of the time. Longevity and consistency you say? Kobe been a cancer the last 25%of his career. Jordan at 40 on the wizards scored over 50 in back to back games, still looked like Jordan of old out there..

 

[prophecypro]

Lose played 20yrs, didn't win the title 75% did not make the playoffs 50%of the time. Longevity and consistency you say? Kobe been a cancer the last 25%of his career. Jordan at 40 on the wizards scored over 50 in back to back games, still looked like Jordan of old out there..

Im not saying he's ahead of Jordan but 5 rings is a decent run

 

[PS5 Pro]

Im not saying he's ahead of Jordan but 5 rings is a decent run

The misconception is Kobe mvp'd those 5seasons you are referring to. Reality is Lakers were not title contenders til Shaq And Phil got there. Once Shaq left, I believe they missed the playoffs. I remember Kobe flirting with going to Chicago. The Lakers then had to re up to be competitive again. Traded kwame for Pau Gasol, Got Lamar Odom for some ready rock, had a Shaq replacement (forgot his name but he was a beast for 2/3seasons) and with Phil at the helm they won two more.

I've never seen an all time great player lose as much as Kobe when the team isn't stacked. He should be able to carry his team's to the playoffs, Kobe often couldn't do that which is a red flag imo

 

[Roman Brady]

I've never seen an all time great player lose as much as Kobe when the team isn't stacked. He should be able to carry his team's to the playoffs, Kobe often couldn't do that which is a red flag imo

yeh

 

[Wiirdo]

You really out here trying to convince the world that Rose was the best player in 2011?


2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan/Kobe/KG/Shaq/T-Mac
2004 - KG or Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Lebron
2010 - Lebron
2011 - Lebron
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - Lebron or Kevin Durant
2015 - Lebron
2016 - Lebron or Steph Curry

2003 is a year where 5 players had a strong case for being the best player.

I'd have it pretty similar

2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan/KG/Shaq/T-Mac
2004 - KG/Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe/Dirk
2008 - Kobe/CP3 (CP3 deserved MVP)
2009 - Lebron/Wade
2010 - Lebron
2011 - Lebron
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - Lebron/Durant
2015 - Lebron/Curry
2016 - Lebron/Curry

 

[Houston911]

The misconception is Kobe mvp'd those 5seasons you are referring to. Reality is Lakers were not title contenders til Shaq And Phil got there. Once Shaq left, I believe they missed the playoffs. I remember Kobe flirting with going to Chicago. The Lakers then had to re up to be competitive again. Traded kwame for Pau Gasol, Got Lamar Odom for some ready rock, had a Shaq replacement (forgot his name but he was a beast for 2/3seasons) and with Phil at the helm they won two more.

I've never seen an all time great player lose as much as Kobe when the team isn't stacked. He should be able to carry his team's to the playoffs, Kobe often couldn't do that which is a red flag imo

They got Lamar Odom for shaq dummy

That got pau gasol for Marc gasol