Noah "40" Shebib in 2012: "If you dont write your own raps you have no credibility"

[Colilluminati]

Drake, Hush, Qm is the 3 peat Drake keep talking about.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

This is deeper than Drake. Money is the most important factor and too many mouths are being fed off this. If Drakes fall from grace makes more money, the fall will be huge. If the powers that be feel Drake's midas touch is too valuable to let go, theyll make sure the relatively few "real hip hop fans" are viewed and treated like those old school rock n roll fans

How'd I miss this.

With Drakes earning potential and power, you know that wont let him fall off no time soon..the reason why the wave didnt catch on with Meek out the gate...

If the machine was behind Meek and not Drake..there be a G-Unot type campaign embarrassing Drake across the country.

This sums it up-

 

[FeloniousMonk]

But what we just learned is that the majority of people buying rap records don't care if the artists actually have talent or not. Perception is reality. The walls are down. Prepare to see hip-hop go the way of pop and rock.

Sorry that it took THIS for you to realize its been this way for 20 years.

Its crazy because my thirst for rap music really started to die down after Pac and BIG got killed..

That public with integrity you mentioned started to erode with each generation and the gradual natural crossover to pop.

Rap music is now just a minstrel circus which label owners parade around their samboesque artist to corporations, getting sponsorship and booking shows as to entertain the public who has taken a liken to said artist.

 

[larryshogunz]

THE MARTORIALIST: Generic list post: 20 classic rap songs which were heavily ghostwritten

Don't worry if they wrote the rhymes, they made these tracks that snapped necks.

The Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight (1979)
Beastie Boys - Slow And Low (1986)
Baby ft. The Clipse - What Happened To That Boy? (2003)
Biz Markie - Vapors (1988)
Roxanne Shante - Have A Nice Day (1987)
Eazy-E - Boyz-N-The Hood (1987)
Dr. Dre - Let Me Ride (1992)
Kreayshawn - Gucci Gucci (2011)
Busy Bee - Making Cash Money (1982)
Melle Mel & Duke Bootee - Message II (Survival) (1983)
KanYe West - Can't Tell Me Nothing (2007)
Shaquille O'Neal - I'm Outstanding (1993)
Lil' Cease - Crush On You (1996)
Lil' Kim ft. Notorious B.I.G - Drugs (1996)
Puffy ft. Bad Boy & Lil' Kim - It's All About The Benjamins (1997)
Jim Jones - We Fly High (2006)
Freeky Zekey ft. Max B & Sen City - Henny (2007)
Snoop Dogg ft. Pharrell - Drop It Like It's Hot (2004)
Pharrell - Raspy shyt (2006)
Iggy Azalea ft. Charli XCX - Fancy (2014)

And out of this list....how many of them are claiming to be the best, greatest, and top 5 ? And notice how you only list 1 song per artist. Now, go back and create a new list with all of Drake's written/helped (according to drake nut swingers) songs.

 

[larryshogunz]

And its also funny how some of these clowns are like "what does it matter, if the music still sounds good?"

If it sounds so good, then why you a Drake fan ? And not a Hush, Zombie, or QM fan ? They the original ones that made the music right ?

Turntable ass nikkas with owls on their shirts just keep spinning shyt.

 

[SunZoo]

I'll believe Quentin, thanks tho

These nikkas are delusional

 

[boskey]

THE MARTORIALIST: Generic list post: 20 classic rap songs which were heavily ghostwritten

Don't worry if they wrote the rhymes, they made these tracks that snapped necks.

The Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight (1979)
Beastie Boys - Slow And Low (1986)
Baby ft. The Clipse - What Happened To That Boy? (2003)
Biz Markie - Vapors (1988)
Roxanne Shante - Have A Nice Day (1987)
Eazy-E - Boyz-N-The Hood (1987)
Dr. Dre - Let Me Ride (1992)
Kreayshawn - Gucci Gucci (2011)
Busy Bee - Making Cash Money (1982)
Melle Mel & Duke Bootee - Message II (Survival) (1983)
KanYe West - Can't Tell Me Nothing (2007)
Shaquille O'Neal - I'm Outstanding (1993)
Lil' Cease - Crush On You (1996)
Lil' Kim ft. Notorious B.I.G - Drugs (1996)
Puffy ft. Bad Boy & Lil' Kim - It's All About The Benjamins (1997)
Jim Jones - We Fly High (2006)
Freeky Zekey ft. Max B & Sen City - Henny (2007)
Snoop Dogg ft. Pharrell - Drop It Like It's Hot (2004)
Pharrell - Raspy shyt (2006)
Iggy Azalea ft. Charli XCX - Fancy (2014)

This is why I don't believe its as common or acceptable in the industry as people claim it is. They say everybody has ghostwriters and you say "who, name them" and they list the same non-rappers every time

 

[SunZoo]

If you dont listen to Drake, what really the issue?

The issue is that he's being propped up as the front runner. Not just in the pop lane, but being sat at the table with all time greats as if he really fits in. He's topping "hottest rapper" lists, boasting in his raps and making claims of supremacy over his peers with another mans hand up his ass.

I mean I get it if you don't give a shyt about the craft or culture, that's your prerogative. I also understand there are a lot of his fans that feel the same...but I think if you can take an honest look at this, in the context of Hip Hop and it's history and just be completely clueless as to why someone might take issue you're fukking blind. You don't even a gotta agree but you can't be ignorant as to why it's a discussion.

 

[King Kreole]

Sorry that it took THIS for you to realize its been this way for 20 years.

Its crazy because my thirst for rap music really started to die down after Pac and BIG got killed..

That public with integrity you mentioned started to erode with each generation and the gradual natural crossover to pop.

Rap music is now just a minstrel circus which label owners parade around their samboesque artist to corporations, getting sponsorship and booking shows as to entertain the public who has taken a liken to said artist.

I think there's been an erosion taking place in the mid-to-bottom levels, but the elite rappers were still very artful. The reason this is a big deal is because for the first time, a top rapper has been exposed. No one would care if Rae Sremmurd or Bobby Shmurda got caught using ghosts, but for a rapper of Drake's caliber to be using ghosts is unprecedented. Rap as a whole may not be as quality as it once was, but there are still a lot of rappers who are writing their own bars and are committed to the art. The idea was that they get rewarded by being placed in a more respected echelon than the other guys who are just in it for the entertainment value. But now we've just witnessed an attempt to destroy that barrier. Rap is still not Pop to me (TPAB is a perfect example of how artistic and quality rap can be in this day and age), but the way things are going, it's going to be.

 

[Broad Street Bully]

And its also funny how some of these clowns are like "what does it matter, if the music still sounds good?"

If it sounds so good, then why you a Drake fan ? And not a Hush, Zombie, or QM fan ? They the original ones that made the music right ?

Turntable ass nikkas with owls on their shirts just keep spinning shyt.

Lmao is it confirmed that Hush and bum ass Mike Zombie wrote for him?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Meek ain't reply yet?

 

[FeloniousMonk]

The issue is that he's being propped up as the front runner. Not just in the pop lane, but being sat at the table with all time greats as if he really fits in. He's topping "hottest rapper" lists, boasting in his raps and making claims of supremacy over his peers.

I mean I get that you don't give a shyt about the craft or culture, that's your prerogative. I also understand there are a lot of his fans that feel the same...but I think if you can take an honest look at this, in the context of Hip Hop and it's history and just be completely clueless as to why someone might take issue you're fukking blind. You don't even a gotta agree but you can't be ignorant as to why it's a discussion.

1st statement..I can see.

People felt the same way in Eminem

REAL recognize whats taking place if they understand the culture..like you pointed out that I may not give a shyt about..

2nd issue...Unless cats are ready to step up and support the infrastructure and NOT condone this shyt..

What else is going to happen other than people griping and moaning about the state of todays hip hop music on a messageboard?


Where are the Jay Zs,Grandmaster Caz's, Rakims, Nas's, Africa Bambaataa ..where do actual pioneers stand on this matter and WHY arent they speaking up?

Its just another nail in the coffin as far as commercial hip hop ever having authenticity again..

Hip Hop will forever be street..

But

Rap IS pop music..its over.

Just support the music you like and keep it moving..

And ME coming from a DJ's perspective..I could give two shyts..I love hip hop..I love the controversy(not this in particular)..but I dont rap..I dont battle..I have to play whats gonna get ME paid.

Its like...oh daaang..thats messed up what they trying to do to hip hop....

If Drake lost ALL his hip hop fans..would matter..cuz he's still have his rap fans..

 

[FeloniousMonk]

I think there's been an erosion taking place in the mid-to-bottom levels, but the elite rappers were still very artful. The reason this is a big deal is because for the first time, a top rapper has been exposed. No one would care if Rae Sremmurd or Bobby Shmurda got caught using ghosts, but for a rapper of Drake's caliber to be using ghosts is unprecedented. Rap as a whole may not be as quality as it once was, but there are still a lot of rappers who are writing their own bars and are committed to the art. The idea was that they get rewarded by being placed in a more respected echelon than the other guys who are just in it for the entertainment value. But now we've just witnessed an attempt to destroy that barrier. Rap is still not Pop to me (TPAB is a perfect example of how artistic and quality rap can be in this day and age), but the way things are going, it's going to be.

Daam..Id love to counter this..Ill be back to address it..lots of valid points.

Especially after mentioning TPAB which was the only album I played in the whipped 2 weeks straight...was the debut album he wanted to do..yet would had flopped if this was his first album..or he wouldnt have made the gradual IMPACT that would allow THIS album to be accepted..shall I say.

bbl.

 

[Still Benefited]

Drake & Ghost Writing.....????!!!!
by Young Marley

Nov 12, 2009


A source with knowledge drops this: Well I used to stay in Toronto now I’m in NY. Drake and writer Nickelus F. from Virginia used to be seen everywhere in TO together about 6 years ago. He used to have a white Range Rover. He used to fly Nick out and bring him to Raptor games and s**t. If you search hard enough you can find all of these pics.

Drake does have money. He lives in one of the most expensive places in North America. His mother is wealthy. Not rich but wealthy. He was on the show from he was 12/13 years of age. He was getting roughly 90 to 125 k per season for the past 10 years. Realistically when you don’t have any bills or expenses that’s whole lot of money which is why he was able to pay his way into the game. He ran out of money early last year and received money from some investors in Houston, TX. He was in TX a lot because he had a girl out there which is how he met Wayne. Wayne heard his CD ina barber shop in H Town.

Nickelus F. is the one who got Malice on that song with Drake. Drake used to throw a lot of money around to get into the industry which is why him and Trey Songz is cool. When Drake was getting more known in TO he wanted more radio friendly less edgy lyrics so he switched up writers because Canadian audience is really conservative. I know cats from Illusive Media who worked with Nickelus F. and they showed me that Drake paid for many of his videos and things of that nature for the songs he was writing. Also, Nickelus F. hooked him up with many connects in the game especially when he was in talks with Def Jam.

From what I heard from VERY reliable sources in the Drake camp and from NY is that this IQ cat from Brooklyn was negotiating selling songs to Drake. Drake would buy hooks or entire songs (concepts and verses). IQ is Rakim’s protege, his pen game is mean. IQ helped him on a couple of records but Drake got pissed when he wouldn’t give him his personal records that he was gonna use for his own career.

Numerous guys in Toronto have contributed to Drake’s music. Richie Sosa being one of them, not a big collaborator but he did help Drake.

This information wasn’t too confidential because the studio sessions had many people present so everybody saw Drake and 40 asking for the rhymes. Another thing you can ask people is if they’ve EVER seen Drake actually write/think/freestyle/type/ or just overall create a song on the spot. NEVER.

There are possibly others that I don’t know of so I can’t give out any more info. I will leave you with this, Drake is not new, he’s actually paid top dollar for meeting with the biggest industry execs and he was shut down.

It might be worse than we thought

Drake is just some spoiled rich kid who bought his way into the game...actually makes more sense than the idea that a former child star somehow goes on to become the biggest rapper in the game just by chance

 

[LogicFirst]

Its only so long Canadians can pretend

Meek ain't reply yet?

That bum nikka don't know what to do.