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I'd honestly bump that to 95%...I can't thnk of too many artists that I realistically think are nicer than Trag.
Noreaga: Nas wasn't on CNN War Report cause he doesn't like Tragedy
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I'd honestly bump that to 95%...I can't thnk of too many artists that I realistically think are nicer than Trag.
not probably. he is. Shan and Poet were QB legends. they were actually right at the bridge (no pun) between the old school and the new though. After LL's lyrical reign, then came Rakim. KRS came in and raised the lyrical bar along with Kane and G Rap. Trag was too young to go against them dudes then but after Intelligent Hoodlum, he basically birthed that lyrical style of the conflicted righteous thug. he was the predecessor to Nas but not as dynamic lyrically. but lemme tell you this....Trag put out some of the hardest records in the 90's no doubt. the style most know as QB rap started with Trag.
and Nasty Nas was consistently, lyrically, iller than ANY other version of Nas
Never knew the big deal with tragedy untill this thread and the combat jack interview tbh
and they say the booth died, nah bro i just learnt something new
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A Childrens Story
the nikka was hungry in the 80s, hungry in the 90s and is still spittin angry black man militant raps.Ok breh
these nikkaz is wearin skirts nowadays. considering ceelo in a wedding dress was the 90s he was the prophet
we need more rappers like tragedy;
"you already know
you dealin with different individuals here
dealin with different specimens of life
we on a whole other level
yall still caught up in the earths gravitational pull
we movin far beyond that, touching omniverses
lets bypass the obvious
i slay like the roman armies of acametis
magnetic lines is ominous
the bridge im the heart of it
bow before the presence of god, pay ya homages
its strictly knowledges
the shine is in alignment with stars repped by astrologists
molecular structure of rap minus the politics
back to my tragic alliance of crime sciences
feds try to tap my words
they transformed the heiroglyphs
manifest life through a thought
my auras marvelous
even the enzymes in my salivas more liver than those considered to be true Gs and certified riders
im being perfectly honest
verbally i astonish
supreme design infinite mind
my thoughts abolish genocidal atrocities foul philosophies
reptilians walking the earth forming monopolies
tryin to freeze the truer living god in thirty two degrees.."
-Tragedy Khadafi, "Without You" 2013
this is just an observation/speculation to the thread title. dont get mad. but...
maybe Nas "wasnt feeling" Trag at the time because he didnt want to be on a track with him for marketing purposes. perhaps because the direction Stout and them was pushing him into was strictly commercial and not "thug rap" which is basically what CNN was. they were sorta like a more "rangy" version of Mobb. it was mentioned how Nas was on the N.O.R.E. album. this is because that is what they wanted Nas to be associated with. not no underground shyt which is what the first CNN album was.
perhaps Nas management didnt want him on records with an MC with a similar but harder style than his. nobody wants to look soft you know. "camcorder and we tapin her, rapin her...."
its like Nore said, Trag wanted Capone to blow, Nore got down because he was Capone's boy. it just so happened that people took to Nore's style because it was unique. the crazy thing is, Nore rapped in that style because like he said..he didnt KNOW how to rhyme really. incidentally, this is his best work as he got wack later on when he tried to rap "correctly". back to Nas, Stout and Trackmasters didnt want that nikka on a track with Canibus. in the world of marketing your association can make or break you. there is a reason Nas disassociated himself from AZ and Nature after the Firm flopped. Nas is a GOAT lyricist but his career has been a carefully guided P.R. campaign.
maybe Nas "wasnt feeling" Trag at the time because he didnt want to be on a track with him for marketing purposes. perhaps because the direction Stout and them was pushing him into was strictly commercial and not "thug rap" which is basically what CNN was. they were sorta like a more "rangy" version of Mobb. it was mentioned how Nas was on the N.O.R.E. album. this is because that is what they wanted Nas to be associated with. not no underground shyt which is what the first CNN album was.
perhaps Nas management didnt want him on records with an MC with a similar but harder style than his. nobody wants to look soft you know. "camcorder and we tapin her, rapin her...."
its like Nore said, Trag wanted Capone to blow, Nore got down because he was Capone's boy. it just so happened that people took to Nore's style because it was unique. the crazy thing is, Nore rapped in that style because like he said..he didnt KNOW how to rhyme really. incidentally, this is his best work as he got wack later on when he tried to rap "correctly". back to Nas, Stout and Trackmasters didnt want that nikka on a track with Canibus. in the world of marketing your association can make or break you. there is a reason Nas disassociated himself from AZ and Nature after the Firm flopped. Nas is a GOAT lyricist but his career has been a carefully guided P.R. campaign.
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SplizThaDon
I never understood why nikkas always wanna downplay one artist to big up another..Trag was nice.. Nore was ill..fukk what ya heard...and Nas is a better rapper than Trag.. Whether he was influenced by him or not..which everyone was from the same hood so a lot of them used the same slang and talked about the same things.. Nas wasn't rapping about Trag's life.. He was rapping about his life and shyt he seen in his environment...he rapped mad different perspectives so to write it off as it was Trag's life is stupid considering they from the same hoods and any specifics Nas talked about at the time was shyt he grew up dealing with like him dropping out of school n shyt.. Etc efc..
Capone was supposed to be the one to blow. He was the first one with Marley. Capone Bone was a helluva record...and ultimately thats the direction I think they wanted to go with him. Mainstream thug. Trag thought Capone was the next superstar because of his laid back style, criminal raps and distinct voice. Like Nore said, the universe dictates what goes down. people liked Nore because his style was original. things happen for a reason. just one thing like Capone going to jail or not changes the whole course of history. Basically Trag didnt know what he had with Nore because he was unorthodox and Capone was technically precise as an MC. So he back technicality over an unorthodox style that he probably figured the general public would view as wack.
spliz
SplizThaDon
That's why Nas had Mobb Deep..Cornega and AZ on IWW right?..that's why he was on OBFCL and was featured on tracks wit Kool G Rap..and a plethora of hood rappers albums at the time right?.. What are u even talkin bout g?..Nas didn't fukk wit Trag cause of personal shyt..hood shyt and he wasn't feelin him at the time.. Had nothing to do with him bein hard or street rap or whatever?..nikkas actin like Nas was talkin bout Disneyland on IWW or some shyt..
I dont know what the fukk u talmbout. Mega and AZ were part of the Firm, Nas' crew. thats who he wanted to be associated with at the time for a particular reason....uhh like building momentum for the Firm. Raekwon was internationally known because Wu was a phenomenon. It wasnt like OBFCL was the first Wu release.
Kool G Rap was already legendary then and was a much more well know rapper than CNN or Tragedy at that time.
after the Firm flopped how many times did he collab with Mega? G Rap? he gradually disassociated himself away from AZ and cheated us out of one of the greatest duo albums that wouldve ever been made. I dont know what you talmbout my nikka but that shyt went right over ya head.
spliz
SplizThaDon
So yea..he put and UNKNOWN STREET nikka named Cormega on his album and down wit his crew.. Yet he was afraid of the street rap Trag?..he supported Mobb Deep before AND after they blew up but they wasn't street rap?..G Rap wasn't a street rapper?.. The nikka Nas got a million tracks wit nikkas from the hood like E Money Bags and all kinda shyt.. That's not a street dude?..the nikka Nas put on and was ALL over AZs first album...and CONTINUED to collab with him even AFTER the Firm..all the way up to Streets Disciple...they don't have a collab album..but who knows why.. They don't HAVE to..same way he hasn't done one with Premo yet either.. Is he afraid of his production?..no...it's cause he don't owe nobody shyt but himself and is gonna do what he wants as an artist..he was afraid to fukk wit CNN but he did tracks wit them..put Nore down on the Firm album..and had Jungle managing Nore on his solo joint while also hopping on his album .. Put together a fukkin compilation album featuring ALL the nice artists from his hood..he put Lakey on Gods Son..continuously shouted nikkas out and put an UNKNOWN Nature down wit his crew when Cormega bounced and Nature sounded just like Nas and had street rhymes as well..g..u making absolutely ZERO sense and u speaking of pure delusion and emotion.. Ur theory is wrong as fukk..period..I dont know what the fukk u talmbout. Mega and AZ were part of the Firm, Nas' crew. thats who he wanted to be associated with at the time for a particular reason. Raekwon was internationally known because Wu was a phenomenon. It wasnt like OBFCL was the first Wu release.
Kool G Rap was already legendary then and was a much more well know rapper than CNN or Tragedy at that time.
after the Firm flopped how many times did he collab with Mega? G Rap? he gradually disassociated himself away from AZ and cheated us out of one of the greatest duo albums that wouldve ever been made. I dont know what you talmbout my nikka.
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in the interview nore said it was cuz they removed emoney bags verse from the original calm down and replaced it with tragedy
i love nas and i love tragedy. in 2013 tragedy spit flames while nas was mostly m.i.a.
cormega was known in QB obviously but i would agree because i personally first heard him with one love (96) and im from queens. makes sense though since he did five.
nore said trag thought mobb and nas wasnt street or at least that his nikkaz was way more street, shot nikkaz etc.
spliz
SplizThaDon
I don't really care what Trag thought.. Trag is obviously not the best when it comes to judgement and he was a bias point of view..plus the world didn't know that and they was still street RAPPERS.. Nore n them removing E money bags verse cause it wasn't up to par had nothing to do with Nas or what I'm talking about...plus him and Nas had other collabs..and u can't dispute none of the other shyt I'm saying.. In 2013 Nas is MIA but in 2012 Nas had one of the best albums of the year..nikka was spittin fire on every feature leading up to that and after it and is still better than Trag..this type of shyt is annoying..same wit nikkas who try to say Cormega is nicer than Nas..I understand nikkas like these nikkas as artists and it sucks they didn't blow cause they nice.. But every time these 2 nikkas get mentioned some outlandish ass statement about Nas follows...nikkas can't big them up without putting Nas down?..it's retarded...in the interview nore said it was cuz they removed emoney bags verse from the original calm down and replaced it with tragedy
i love nas and i love tragedy. in 2013 tragedy spit flames while nas was mostly m.i.a.
cormega was known in QB obviously but i would agree because i personally first heard him with one love (96) and im from queens. makes sense though since he did five.
nore said trag thought mobb and nas wasnt street or at least that his nikkaz was way more street, shot nikkaz etc.
who said they werent street rappers??? like I said, over ya head my dude. I didnt say they werent hood rappers either. I said Trag had a style similar but harder plus was underground as was CNN. CNN didnt even go gold at that time, but Mobb and AZ had. mega was known before Nas was, although relatively unknown due to going up north.
as a matter of fact, CNN was never a big selling group. Nore as a solo artist was more successful than the group.
I dont remember Nas on Juvenile Hell. Once Nas got big he aint really fukk with nobody that wasnt of a reasonable stature. also nikka when they did QB Finest, he didnt want Mega on the shyt and other nikkas threatened not to be down with the project unless Mega was on there. no your history.
if anyone is emotional its you are you obviously take any offense to anything said about Nas.
spliz
SplizThaDon
So Mobb was already gold when Nas appeared on the infamous?...AZ was already gold when. Nas appeared on Doe or Die?..Nas forced AZ to be on Illmatic..AZ ain't even try to be on that shyt..I know my fukkin history nikka...he ain't want Mega in the QB Finest shyt cause Mega was dissin him at the time...he ain't fukk wit Mega and he dissed Mega on "Big Things" on I Am..know your history..y'all nikkas ain't making no type of sense and it's a stupid argument..and as far as Nore go..Nas gave him his first good look to get him really popular..had Jungle managing him..and was on his album BEFORE it sold records..ya argument is retarded and u shifting goal posts to make it make sense..who said they werent street rappers??? like I said, over ya head my dude. I didnt say they werent hood rappers either. I said Trag had a style similar but harder plus was underground as was CNN. CNN didnt even go gold at that time, but Mobb and AZ had. mega was known before Nas was, although relatively unknown due to going up north.
as a matter of fact, CNN was never a big selling group. Nore as a solo artist was more successful than the group.
Once Nas got big he aint really fukk with nobody that wasnt of a reasonable stature. also nikka when they did QB Finest, he didnt want Mega on the shyt and other nikkas threatened not to be down with the project unless Mega was on there. no your history.
if anyone is emotional its you are you obviously take any offense to anything said about Nas.