Nvr lost a G7(10 of them), nvr missed playoffs. 11 rings 2 NCAA titles 1 Gold 5 MVPs

[dantheman9758]

Yeah like Wilt sitting down the rest of Game 7 in 69 because of his knee. It's hard for me to say Wilt is the greatest because of stunts like that.

That was no stunt. Kindly refrain from talking about situations you don't know about. Anyone who knows what really happened that game/season wouldn't be pointing fingers at Wilt Chamberlain. The coach of that team that season OPENLY admits he told Wilt to go to hell when Wilt said he was ready to come back in the game. He only went out to rest his knee, he intended to come back in. There is literally video of coach van Breda Koff saying this, and Wilt's teammates all vouch for him that that was exactly what happened.

 

[Newzz]

But it's always hypothetical with Bill Russell what he "probably" would do in the modern era. But with that, you have to always be open to the fact that he "probably" wouldn't be as good as he was in the 50s


The facts are what they were. He played from the late 50s to the late 60s. He was a horrible offensive player as shown by his FG% and was a great defensive player. He played on the best team in a 8 team league and they won the most with him as the offensive anchor, Cousy as the playmaker, and Sharman/Heinsohn/Havlicek as the go to guys in their respective years

 

[dantheman9758]

the playoffs were also only 3 rounds back then i believe.

He also only played Wilt Chamberlain 142 times, and Nate Thurmond/Walt Bellamy/Willis Reed/etc no less than 3 times more often every single season than he would had he played in an era with 30 teams like today.

 

[dantheman9758]

But it's always hypothetical with Bill Russell what he "probably" would do in the modern era. But with that, you have to always be open to the fact that he "probably" wouldn't be as good as he was in the 50s


The facts are what they were. He played from the late 50s to the late 60s. He was a horrible offensive player as shown by his FG% and was a great defensive player.

 

[Newzz]

Break down his game then and tell us why we should assume a Big Man who shot so poorly from the field would NOT be a bad scorer



Since you "seen" him....school us



Him being great defensively is a well-known fact.....but what about the other side of the ball?


There's a difference between NOT scoring and not being ABLE to score.

36.5% in 1957 playoffs? 36.1% in 1958 playoffs? 40.9% in 1959 playoffs? 35.6% in 1964 playoffs? 36% in 1967 playoffs? 40.9% in 1968 playoffs?

That's


No excuses like "offense dont matter...winning does" when we talking about the Greatest To Ever Play The Game

 

[dantheman9758]

I knew there would be a lot of butthurt after I posted about Bill Russell. Stans of charismatic wing scorers like Kobe/Lebron/Jordan NEVER understand Bill Russell. It's impossible for them, because for the last 30 years ESPN has branded "scorers" who can sell shoes as the "greatest" players of all time. Basically just ignoring a man who DOMINATED the game where it counts most (titles) like no other. And he did it from the unsexy defensive end. But the raw effectiveness of how he played cannot be refuted.

Here's one for those still grasping for straws:
Phil Jackson says he would start a team with Bill Russell over Michael Jordan - ESPN

Who (out of any player in NBA history) Phil Jackson would pick to start and build a franchise:
"In my estimation, the guy that has to be there would be Bill Russell. He has won 11 championships as a player," Jackson said in an interview with Time. "That's really the idea of what excellence is, when you win championships."

 

[Newzz]

But I'ma Hakeem Olajuwon stan just as much as Kobe



The Dream was great on offense AND defense. I dont have to make excuses for his skill as a player

 

[sfgiants]

Uh, his bball reference weight aka his DRAFT weight!?

So I guess we should only think of these players as these weights:

Kobe Bryant, 178lbs
Kevin Durant, 215lbs
Kevin Garnett, 217lbs
Nerlens Noel, 218lbs
Anthony Davis, 222lbs
Joakim Noah, 223lbs
Tyson Chandler, 224lbs
David Robinson, 226lbs

Red on Roundball: Intimidation - YouTube
You honestly think his frame was always "215"!? Try 225-240 playing weight range through the rest of his career. And this was before lifting weights became popular. For comparison, David Robinson - even by 1992, was only 235lbs, and Dwight Howard was 240 his first season and that was after he'd been lifting for a few years to prep for the NBA. Bill Russell with weights would be no smaller than any other typical size big man today if that's the body he wanted to achieve, as a young rookie he had a world class Track athletes body with a 7-4 wingspan. When he filled out, he was strong enough to tangle with Wilt - and Wilt was 300lbs.

i cant find anywhere online that lists him over 220. 240 is a huge stretch, i doubt he was ever over 230.

and where is this "wilt was 300 pounds" shyt.. when did this happen.. when he was towards the end of his career?

^this doesnt look like a "300 pounder"... looks close to ewings body type, and he was around 255-260

this is a 300+ pound mutant:

how's he only averaging 15 a game on 44% shooting for his career if he's such a once in a millenia all-universe athlete

bill russell was good for his time... when there were like 10 fewer teams in the league, no euros and everyone looked malnourished. lebron probably weighs more than all centers did back in 1966

 

[Newzz]

how's he only averaging 15 a game on 44% shooting for his career if he's such a once in a millenia all-universe athlete

Offense dont matter

 

[sfgiants]

36.5% in 1957 playoffs? 36.1% in 1958 playoffs? 40.9% in 1959 playoffs? 35.6% in 1964 playoffs? 36% in 1967 playoffs? 40.9% in 1968 playoffs?

That's

who was his competition that was locking him down to these numbers


john red kerr who averaged 13 and 11 for his career
ed macualey w/ 17 and 7

i never heard of ed macauley.

but apparently he averaged more ppg than bill russell the 'goat'? son looks like he's escaping Auschwitz with a basketball

 

[dantheman9758]

i cant find anywhere online that lists him over 220. 240 is a huge stretch, i doubt he was ever over 230.

and where is this "wilt was 300 pounds" shyt.. when did this happen.. when he was towards the end of his career?

^this doesnt look like a "300 pounder"... looks close to ewings body type, and he was around 255-260

this is a 300+ pound mutant:

how's he only averaging 15 a game on 44% shooting for his career if he's such a once in a millenia all-universe athlete

bill russell was good for his time... when there were like 10 fewer teams in the league, no euros and everyone looked malnourished. lebron probably weighs more than all centers did back in 1966

Russell states how much he weighed right here very clearly, 240. And he states it at around the 4:50 mark


Here's Wilt next to Shaq


Here's audio of Chick Hearn describing Wilt during the 1963-64 season (very early in his career) already weighing 292lbs. The clip is also from that very same season, so in the clip your looking at a 292lb Wilt


Here's more of Wilt:


The guy was a longer Shaq, minus the fat. He was 300lbs, easily. I also have an article of him from 1984 when he was working out with Arnold for the movie Conan the Destroyer that states he had just weighed in (for the movie) at no less than 327lbs.

 

[Newzz]

ed macualey w/ 17 and 7

i never heard of ed macauley.

but apparently he averaged more ppg than bill russell the 'goat'? son looks like he's escaping Auschwitz with a basketball

:mynikka:

 

[Newzz]

Like I said before, Bill Russell was a great player and one of the greatest...if not THEE greatest...defensive player in NBA history.


However, when we talking about the best PLAYER of all-time, we cant just disregard the whole other side of the ball.

 

[HendriX]

Never lost a game 7?
Never missed the playoffs?
11 rings
2 NCAA titles?

Aren't those ALL team achievements?


I respect all the legends..they paved the way for the MJ's..Kobe's..Bron's, etc..but why do we measure individual greatness based on team success?

That's what wrong with sports man..

Folks would have you believe Russell, Jordan, Bird..Magic..Bron, Kobe..Shaq, Dream went out there and scored every point, grabbed every rebound..blocked every shot, made every clutch basket on their way to championships

 

[sfgiants]

i just dont see how u can be a goat candidate, and average 15 in a decade that featured the likes of:

as top 10 centers. how many of these are considered goat defenders? is wilt even considered a defensive stopper? obviously not since he stayed losing in the finals all the records in the world with 2 rings