Nvr lost a G7(10 of them), nvr missed playoffs. 11 rings 2 NCAA titles 1 Gold 5 MVPs
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bill russell was a great player for his era.
that's where ima leave it. he's the greatest winner in league history and nobody's touching those 8 straight or however many championships in a row the celtics won in the 60s.
we give old players props, but that's where it stops. its the roc
that's where ima leave it. he's the greatest winner in league history and nobody's touching those 8 straight or however many championships in a row the celtics won in the 60s.
we give old players props, but that's where it stops. its the roc
dantheman9758
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Like I said before, Bill Russell was a great player and one of the greatest...if not THEE greatest...defensive player in NBA history.
However, when we talking about the best PLAYER of all-time, we cant just disregard the whole other side of the ball.
Have I not said enough already? It's best not to squirm... take your ether like a man
Bill Russell's rookie season....The 1957 All-NBA 1st Team
At Center, we have Bob Pettit!
At Forward......Dolph Schayes!
At the other Forward....George Yardley!
In the Backcourt, we have Guard....Bill Sharman!
And last but not least....The Point Guard....Bob "The Houdini Of The Hardwood" Cousy!
At Center, we have Bob Pettit!
At Forward......Dolph Schayes!
At the other Forward....George Yardley!
In the Backcourt, we have Guard....Bill Sharman!
And last but not least....The Point Guard....Bob "The Houdini Of The Hardwood" Cousy!
dantheman9758
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i just dont see how u can be a goat candidate, and average 15 in a decade that featured the likes of:
as top 10 centers. how many of theseare considered goat defenders? is wilt even considered a defensive stopper? obviously not since he stayed losing in the finals
Your not even aware of who your posting, or when they played - your mixing 50's NCAA player photographs that were guys sitting on the bench and ready to retire when Russell came into the league with Jerry Lucas, a power forward from the 60's, and your confusing all of it with "Bill's competition..."!? I don't even know where to begin...
This is an example of Bill Russell's "competition", not the rubbish 1950's NCAA pics your posting. Wilt Chamberlain is an example of Bill's competition. Nate Thurmond. Walt Bellamy. Do I need to continue?
Bill Russell's rookie season....The 1957 All-NBA 1st Team
And last but not least....The Point Guard....Bob "The Houdini Of The Hardwood" Cousy!
fukk. dudes built like frankie muniz on season 3 of malcolm in the middle.
Your not even aware of who your posting, or when they played - your mixing 50's players that were sitting on the bench when Russell came into the league with Jerry Lucas, a power forward from the 60's, I don't even know where to begin...
This is an example of Bill Russell's "competition", not the rubbish 1950's NCAA pics your posting.
So a simple "pump fake" got Bill Russell out of position and I'm supposed to believe that he would be able to deal with THIS:
And
at the lack of elevation in Bill Russell in both those clips....his arm barely got above the rim
Your not even aware of who your posting, or when they played - your mixing 50's NCAA player photographs that were guys sitting on the bench and ready to retire when Russell came into the league with Jerry Lucas, a power forward from the 60's, and your confusing all of it with "Bill's competition..."!? I don't even know where to begin...
This is an example of Bill Russell's "competition", not the rubbish 1950's NCAA pics your posting. Wilt Chamberlain is an example of Bill's competition. Nate Thurmond. Walt Bellamy. Do I need to continue?
Top 10 Centers of the 1960
russell started playing in 56.. so if the 50's were trash, let's throw his first 4 years in the league in the bushes. which means he only had 8-9 seasons of good competition?
walter dukes best season - 1960
wayne embry best season- 1962
willis reed best season- 1969
nate thurmond- 1968
jerry lucas- 1966
these are top 10 centers in the 60s. 2 of the top 10 averaged over 20 a game. 5 of them averaged more pts than russell.
So a simple "pump fake" got Bill Russell out of position and I'm supposed to believe that he would be able to deal with THIS:
And
hakeem
a center doing cross overs
the dream shake
making MVP of the league robinson look
>>>>seriously lets stop fukkin around here acting like bill russell is the goat. he's not. we all know he isnt.
SwagKingKong
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Fewer games makes an upset more likely.
How the hell does only playing two rounds in the playoffs to win a championship make an upset more likely?
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its mind boggling looking back, and seeing the all nba teams and mvps some of those years. look at these stat lines, and tell me which one should belong to the mvp and 1st team all nba and which one should be on the second team.
44.8/24.3/.528 fg% all of which led the league
16.8/23.6/.432 fg%
who the fukk voted that second stat line the league mvp? dude really put up 45 and 25 and was on the fukking all nba 2nd team
guy made the finals every year because he played on a stacked ass team, in a 8 team league. put a few more stars on the heat, keep one other good team, and have 6 mediocre or plain poor teams in the league and see how many finals they make only having to win one playoff series to reach the finals
44.8/24.3/.528 fg% all of which led the league
16.8/23.6/.432 fg%
who the fukk voted that second stat line the league mvp? dude really put up 45 and 25 and was on the fukking all nba 2nd team
guy made the finals every year because he played on a stacked ass team, in a 8 team league. put a few more stars on the heat, keep one other good team, and have 6 mediocre or plain poor teams in the league and see how many finals they make only having to win one playoff series to reach the finals
*For the Advanced Stat Nerds on here*
Bill Russell's career PER is only 18.9 (Good for 97th in NBA history), his True Shooting % is 47.1% (Not even in the 250 Players in NBA History), his eFG% is 44.0% (Not even in the top 250 Players in NBA History)
In today's NBA his career PER of 18.9 puts him below big men such as Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Al Jefferson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph, David Lee, and David West who all have higher career PERs.
His career BEST True Shooting % was 50.0% which would only have him ranked as #256 out of 344 players in the NBA this season.....right above a washed up Elton Brand. At his best, he shot as good from the field as a washed up Elton Brand
But he won 11 rings though, 5 MVPs, and was a great defensive player
Bill Russell's career PER is only 18.9 (Good for 97th in NBA history), his True Shooting % is 47.1% (Not even in the 250 Players in NBA History), his eFG% is 44.0% (Not even in the top 250 Players in NBA History)
In today's NBA his career PER of 18.9 puts him below big men such as Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Al Jefferson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph, David Lee, and David West who all have higher career PERs.
His career BEST True Shooting % was 50.0% which would only have him ranked as #256 out of 344 players in the NBA this season.....right above a washed up Elton Brand. At his best, he shot as good from the field as a washed up Elton Brand
But he won 11 rings though, 5 MVPs, and was a great defensive player
My only argument against Russell is that there were only 8 teams most of his career. That's only about 120 players. So him being the biggest fish in a very small pond takes away from his accomplishments to me.
With that being said, I'm not saying he's not great, I just think it's hard to compare an 8-14 team league with a 32 team league.
With that being said, I'm not saying he's not great, I just think it's hard to compare an 8-14 team league with a 32 team league.
Wilt Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg and 22.9 rpg, and 4.4 apg on 54% FG for his career.
Bill Russell averaged 15.1 ppg, 22.5 rpg, and 4.3 apg on 44% FG for his career.
Wilt outdid him in every category
Again for the "Advanced Stat Crowd":
Wilt Chamberlain had a career Win Share of 247.3 and Win Share Per 48 of .248
Bill Russell had a career Win Share of 163.5 and Win Share Per 48 of .193
Wilt outdid him in both of those categories as well.....whatever they mean
Bill Russell averaged 15.1 ppg, 22.5 rpg, and 4.3 apg on 44% FG for his career.
Wilt outdid him in every category
Again for the "Advanced Stat Crowd":
Wilt Chamberlain had a career Win Share of 247.3 and Win Share Per 48 of .248
Bill Russell had a career Win Share of 163.5 and Win Share Per 48 of .193
Wilt outdid him in both of those categories as well.....whatever they mean