[NYT] BREAKING: FDA aiming to give Pfizer vaccine full approval Monday. Update: approved!

[wild100sboy]

this will make most of the antivax folks fold like a lawn chair

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

How Religious Exemptions for Vaccines Work—and How to Stop People From Lying to Get One

When businesses implement vaccine mandates for their employees, they are coming up with policies on the fly. Many add in language about a religious exemption on the advice of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which has recommended that employers make reasonable efforts to accommodate employees with “sincerely held religious beliefs” to comply with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. But even employers who don’t specify that there are religious exemptions may quickly cave when presented with a religious objection. Given the number of people raring to sue over the vaccine mandates, it wouldn’t be surprising if some businesses opted to offer exemptions to avoid getting lawyers involved.

You can spin it however you want, no business is out here trying to get lawyers involved if they can help it. The majority of businesses don't have that type of bread to afford one and would rather give the exemption than to put themselves in that situation.

What makes you think these businesses are doing this on the fly and not consulting their own lawyers?

Also the sticky part would be "sincerely held religious beliefs" so if the lawyers can prove that you've had other vaccinations or that people in your church have had vaccinations then the religious exemption falls apart.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

What makes you think these businesses are doing this on the fly and not consulting their own lawyers?

Also the sticky part would be "sincerely held religious beliefs" so if the lawyers can prove that you've had other vaccinations or that people in your church have had vaccinations then the religious exemption falls apart.

Because the majority of businesses don't have lawyers like that breh.

If you're a mom and pop shop or small business, you're going to be hesitant to mandate the vaccine because you don't have the lawyers to help cover your ass just in case. Lawyers are not cheap breh and not every business can have one on retainer just in case.

 

[Antwon Mitchell]

Why? Because you ran right down and bent over? If you go back thru you family’s history I bet you’ll find that your ancestors were the ones too comfortable/scared to run away from massa, and were pleased when those who did run were caught and brought back. And if you dig even deeper you’ll find that your ancestors were probably the ones doing alotta of the telling back then too.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Because the majority of businesses don't have lawyers like that breh.

If you're a mom and pop shop or small business, you're going to be hesitant to mandate the vaccine because you don't have the lawyers to help cover your ass just in case. Lawyers are not cheap breh and not every business can have one on retainer just in case.

Mom and pop shops are just as much interested in not being sued for having an unsafe work environment.

You're also running on the false assumption that small businesses are too cash strapped to afford lawyers. I have plenty of friends that own small businesses and every single one of them has used a lawyer at some point. They've all sought out lawyers at some point to deal with former disgruntled employees that tried to railroad them.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Mom and pop shops are just as much interested in not being sued for having an unsafe work environment.

You're also running on the false assumption that small businesses are too cash strapped to afford lawyers. I have plenty of friends that own small businesses and every single one of them has used a lawyer at some point. They've all sought out lawyers at some point to deal with former disgruntled employees that tried to railroad them.

We're talking about a completely different set of circumstances where the case could potentially end up in the higher courts breh.

We are talking about "religious reasons" and not just a disgruntled employee. A case that could potentially last months with major repercussions depending on the circumstances and what's going on. Religion is a slippery slope that a lot of businesses are going to be hesitant to cross.

The majority of businesses don't have the bread to fight a months long court case where lawyers will literally be working for you 24/7.

 

[TAYLONDO SAMSWORTHY]

I’m not judging black people either way because I get it. I really do. The American government has treated black bodies like guinea pigs from this country’s inception so I completely understand AND empathize with the reluctance.


On the other hand black people are being affected at CRAZY high numbers with Covid and dying at alarmingly high rates. So my thing is if Covid is DEFINITELY killing our people and the Vaccine is offering even a modicum of protection. Then its an option worth considering.

The best mf’n response I’ve heard on this situation. Real shyt

 

[Mr swag]

More places are now allowed to mandate it. Jobs about to open up for y’all bruhs!

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The best mf’n response I’ve heard on this situation. Real shyt

you ignored all the BLACK DOCTORS saying this?

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

We're talking about a completely different set of circumstances where the case could potentially end up in the higher courts breh.

We are talking about "religious reasons" and not just a disgruntled employee. A case that could potentially last months with major repercussions depending on the circumstances and what's going on. Religion is a slippery slope that a lot of businesses are going to be hesitant to cross.

The majority of businesses don't have the bread to fight a months long court case where lawyers will literally be working for you 24/7.

Well in a world of mom and pop business owners versus the unskilled workers I don't think either one of them has the means to run it up to the supreme court.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Well in a world of mom and pop business owners versus the unskilled workers I don't think either one of them has the means to run it up to the supreme court.

The unskilled worker has an advantage as they can always find someone that would take their case on for free and make a name for themselves out of doing so.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

The unskilled worker has an advantage as they can always find someone that would take their case on for free and make a name for themselves out of doing so.

A lawyer working pro Bono is also going to want to make sure they have a slam dunk case so if Karen has taken vaccines in the past or has church members that have done the same they won't even bother

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

A lawyer working pro Bono is also going to want to make sure they have a slam dunk case so if Karen has taken vaccines in the past or has church members that have done the same they won't even bother

Lawyers take on cases all the time pro bono not knowing whether they'll actually win or not

Not every case is a slam dunk breh as any situation or issue could arise. You also have to factor in that each state is different and has their own Supreme Court.

 

[CrimsonTider]

How Religious Exemptions for Vaccines Work—and How to Stop People From Lying to Get One

When businesses implement vaccine mandates for their employees, they are coming up with policies on the fly. Many add in language about a religious exemption on the advice of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which has recommended that employers make reasonable efforts to accommodate employees with “sincerely held religious beliefs” to comply with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. But even employers who don’t specify that there are religious exemptions may quickly cave when presented with a religious objection. Given the number of people raring to sue over the vaccine mandates, it wouldn’t be surprising if some businesses opted to offer exemptions to avoid getting lawyers involved.

You can spin it however you want, no business is out here trying to get lawyers involved if they can help it. The majority of businesses don't have that type of bread to afford one and would rather give the exemption than to put themselves in that situation.

this is silly

the mandates are drawn up by lawyers

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

this is silly

the mandates are drawn up by lawyers

Just because you use a lawyer to draw up a vaccine mandate doesn't mean that you'd be able to pay them full time if needed in the event of a lawsuit