"Should" doesn't matter when it comes to practicality, I believe the long term negatives of direct reparations in terms of public perception would outweigh any possible short term advantages, I'd rather see leftist policies that would directly benefit Black Americans implemented as reparations are unfeasible just like Obama said
O-bam-a: I Can’t Pursue Rep's Because It’s Politically Infeasible
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Nope I'm not a militant but I hate the way it's just dismissed off hand for us. Let me ask you this for the different people that have received reperations of the last 100 years did they receive them if the family that experienced the hardships passed away?
NoChillJones
Banned
Its not even that breh. Reparations would come from a united decision from people that are pay grades above Obama and Congress. He couldnt if he wanted....these people who really run the country are greedy racist pieces of shyt. They could easily pay blaxk families back slavery...that shyt is a drop in the bucket....they don't for 2 reasons. It would make the black race strong competition in this country....it would mean they apologize for slavery...which theyve yet to do....if yall havent figured it out. These are the people who plot to hold us back with school zoning and politically funded imprisonment. They want us under them. Obama is a pawn that was used like a pawn. Thats why these shootings like Zimmerman and Mike Brown were so heavily publicised only for the murderes to get off. Thats why Trump is President.....we are strong as fukk...they fear us...so they purposely keeps us down...because we are the Phoenix my dude. And everytime we show a glimmer of light they have to extinguish it....in thier eyes we must never rise....ever...especially not us the black American....
606onit
Superstar
On the topic
What did he do?
AlainLocke
Banned
Fight cacs...he was a slave though...owned by Seminoles...had a Seminole father and an African mother...
John Horse - Wikipedia
Basically what Charlie said EXCEPT,
He wasn't a slave his entire life. Seminoles granted him freedom and even when he went to Mexico slavery was outlawed by then.
Not only did he fight CACs, but he fought the United States Military and WON (if we're looking at things strictly from a military standpoint) multiple times. He helped free and train slaves from liberated plantations and built alliances with the Mexicans.
He's a good example of what a nation builder should look like, but he's rarely mentioned because the Seminole Wars are rarely mentioned.
AlainLocke
Banned
He got freed by the USA military but then Seminoles relinquished their rights to him...since Native tribes had rights to slaves...cause they are independent....
John Horse worked for the US military too as a Scout...
He was kinda like a mercenary...
He needs a damn TV show...
He got freed by the USA military but then Seminoles relinquished their rights to him...since Native tribes had rights to slaves...cause they are independent....
John Horse worked for the US military too as a Scout...
He was kinda like a mercenary...
He needs a damn TV show...
Yeah. I misread your post, my bad.
A lot of black Seminoles (and their descendants) were/are GREAT warriors. Upstanding respectful individuals who, at the same time, don't take shyt.
My Grandfather was in the military and fought in WWII. Apparently he caught quite a few bodies in Germany.
Before (and after) he went to the war he and other members of my family were on some mob shyt. They had a ranch on the outskirts of Orlando that was protected by dozens of shooters at all time. Back then whites could walk in your house if they wanted to, but they never took a chance with my family.
He was cool with Hank Aaron's family up in Alabama. Hank's father owned a very large ranch that the KKK wanted to have.
Whenever the KKK wanted to seize a black person's land, they would send other blacks (c00ns) to the individual to ask if they could borrow their weapons for hunting purposes. Then they would take that gun to the police and the police (aligned with the KKK) would use that as justification to take their land from them and even lynch them.
When one of those c00ns tried to play Hank's father, he peeped game and had him kidnapped and tortured until he told them what the Klan's plans were. I'm not exactly sure why my Grandfather was in Alabama at the time because he never lived there to my knowledge, but my Grandfather and some of my other relatives along with Hank and his people let the Klan come through.
They hid up in the trees around his ranch and when the Klan came through they shot down at them
and picked them off one by one. Then they took the bodies and dumped them in town. Apparently it was all in the newspapers and, in my Grandfather's own words, "white folks were so shook they wouldn't even go to a linen sale." 
There are a lot of interesting stories about black Seminoles and their descendants in general that would be TV/movie worthy. Guy in this video below has some more interesting stories and information about the black Seminoles.
I'm trying to get an interview with my Grandfather. I'm always asked about black Seminole stories on here, so if I can set it up I'll post it.
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My people. Please pay attention to what I'm about to say and use it to apply logic to future arguments about reparations...PLEASE
B. If you want power, we have to assess each and every industry that profited from our labor. We'd then have to enact a form of socialism to level the playing field cuz you can't cash out.
C. If you want to change the current system of capitalism, we then risk our standing as the world's superpower, so we'd have to take that into consideration as well
D. If you're looking for sovereignty, again there's the risk that if we take our new wealth and establish our own nation, we're putting a big ass target on ourselves...this could end very badly
For those of you who don't quite understand Obama's coded language and now wanna blame him for something that should have taken place in 1860, fukk you, cuz you'll never get it anyway! Reparations for African-American's is an issue that people are going to have to die over. The majority of us don't understand how complex this issue is, yet ya'll want this man to die for you? That's laughable because there's soooo much legwork that has to be done before the discussion even reaches a political level. These privately and publicly owned corporations, if we're in agreement that we want to stay in America and gain an equal footing, must first be held accountable for practices that contributed to our disenfranchisement. Are we prepared to run companies like JP Morgan, Lehman Brothers, Bank of America? Are we prepared to lead the next wave of innovation in textiles, manufacturing and agriculture?
We cannot simply cash out, we have to concede that business is booming, and we just want our fair share. I haven't yet heard anyone in here confidently state that they are ready to do their part from a legal, economic, political or business standpoint. So as far as I'm concerned, we ain't ready to talk about reparations.
And again, these conversations will need to take place discreetly in a unified and re-conciliatory fashion FIRST, before we can make moves.
And please stop with the cash talk, the no tax talk, the setting up foundations talk. Its all weak and plays into the current design to continue to disenfranchise us. What you think if the government don't tax us the private and public corporations ain't gonna raise prices in our communities? The answer is empowerment through the already established market place.
- Let's say the government gave every American-born black person in the United States $500K right now. They'd get about 200% of it back within 10 years due to taxation, interest rates, fees/fines/penalties and legal settlements. We're simply not equipped to gain any type of power in this country based on money alone, there is a system that is designed to disenfranchise us and by reading some of the posts in here many of you fail to understand or even think that far ahead
- Reparations is a legal, economic, political and ethical discussion. Again, from reading many of the posts in here, a great many of you are neither lawyers, economists, politicians or otherwise; meaning once again you cannot even begin to fathom the types of discussions that need to take place to get the ball rolling. This would have to be a covert operation to gather the necessary information needed to make the claim and translate it into dollars, land, market-share or otherwise.
- You have to ask yourselves: do you want a check cut? do you want power? do you want to remain in the current system of rule that's in place in America? or are you looking to establish sovereignty? Again from reading many of the posts, I haven't seen but a couple people articulate a stance beyond simply getting a check cut. Our great minds have to come together to first agree upon what it is that we're looking to gain before we can even have a meaningful discussion, smh.
B. If you want power, we have to assess each and every industry that profited from our labor. We'd then have to enact a form of socialism to level the playing field cuz you can't cash out.
C. If you want to change the current system of capitalism, we then risk our standing as the world's superpower, so we'd have to take that into consideration as well
D. If you're looking for sovereignty, again there's the risk that if we take our new wealth and establish our own nation, we're putting a big ass target on ourselves...this could end very badly
For those of you who don't quite understand Obama's coded language and now wanna blame him for something that should have taken place in 1860, fukk you, cuz you'll never get it anyway! Reparations for African-American's is an issue that people are going to have to die over. The majority of us don't understand how complex this issue is, yet ya'll want this man to die for you? That's laughable because there's soooo much legwork that has to be done before the discussion even reaches a political level. These privately and publicly owned corporations, if we're in agreement that we want to stay in America and gain an equal footing, must first be held accountable for practices that contributed to our disenfranchisement. Are we prepared to run companies like JP Morgan, Lehman Brothers, Bank of America? Are we prepared to lead the next wave of innovation in textiles, manufacturing and agriculture?
We cannot simply cash out, we have to concede that business is booming, and we just want our fair share. I haven't yet heard anyone in here confidently state that they are ready to do their part from a legal, economic, political or business standpoint. So as far as I'm concerned, we ain't ready to talk about reparations.
And again, these conversations will need to take place discreetly in a unified and re-conciliatory fashion FIRST, before we can make moves.And please stop with the cash talk, the no tax talk, the setting up foundations talk. Its all weak and plays into the current design to continue to disenfranchise us. What you think if the government don't tax us the private and public corporations ain't gonna raise prices in our communities? The answer is empowerment through the already established market place.