mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Why breh? Totally unnecessary to say that.
Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread
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ADevilYouKhow
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No it’s not unnecessary especially how he’s treated black people
Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
Is it more tactful when I say Pete enjoys a man’s genitals in his body orifice? If Pete makes this man wants to skip the pleasantry so be it.
Interesting you say that, when history has proven that’s exactly who you are.
*brings up vaguely similar post from 2012, from questionable source.*
*smirks*
*crowd applause*
*moderator demands crowd silence*
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
It’s unnecessary because you decided a slur was best.
Buttigieg is an ass and the worst and cuz don’t talk to black people. But no need to use a slur against him. That’s some bama shyt.
It’s tactful time say who fukking cares and stop worrying about his genitalia or what he prefers.
Ok I’ll call him Booty-Judge
storyteller
Veteran
Co-sign the vapidness of this one fam. The biggest loser of the night is the moderators, they asked some really weak questions and managed to give us the least substantive debate yet when we're at the most important point for people to learn more. I will give credit where it's due, this debate actually got us some quality Foreign Policy Answers. Anyway, same strategy as the past few with my power rankings...it's about who helped themselves the most in my eyes by standing out.
Gabbard, Biden, Steyer
1. Harris - I'm so not a fan of this woman but she picked a few fights that really helped her be memorable. She got in her bag when she went at Tulsi for revenge and while I was disappointed in her dancing around the fact that Pete Buttigeig's handling of all issues related to PoC has been damn near disgraceful...she still came across as a voice against the platitudes somewhat (albeit in an all too generalized manner when Pete was actually bringing up his record as a mayor which shoulda been an alley-oop for somebody).
2. Booker - Booker and Harris top this thing because they had the most to gain and least to lose in a debate that was vapid, but Booker also gets credit for actually forcing some interesting conversations. I didn't like that he sorta zero-summed addressing Redlining vs addressing gentrification, but it had the impact of highlighting BOTH problems. Corey also hit an important note to me which is that for all the qualifications the media waves about Pete, Booker matches him and then some. He was mayor of a bigger population in a tougher spot to lead (and he's dodged his own scandal in a way that frustrates me living so close by); he's also got the academic accomplishments and he adds Legislative Branch experience on top. I've said after more than one debate that he looks like a solid VP candidate. My one complaint is he needs to sell his damned Baby Bonds idea, I like that one and he was talking about helping the Black community, Baby Bonds track to have a big impact on the racial wealth gap.
3. Bernie - The difference in this one and other nights was that Bernie and Warren were completely tied together as the progressives but I think he was able to establish that he's the candidate of the left better than any previous night (whether you agree with the strategy or not). He hit his typical notes, but also BODIED the foreign policy question and got an opportunity to mention his Climate Change approach being the best one on the stage right after Steyer highlighted the importance of the issue. Biggest whiff from Bernie was that he never got a chance to go in on his new Public Housing/Green New Deal bill during the Housing battle between Booker and Warren. I detailed that bill to open up my podcast which I'ma throw in the Bernie thread when we get it posted, I think that bill is a great example of how the GND concept can work. Calling out Israel/Palestine is huge and Bernie's also had multiple laugh lines that I think he needs since the media portrays him as only ever angry.
4. Warren - She started fantastic but then got screwed by poor questions from the moderators. The "we need more military" thing is a misstep to me that helped widen the gap between her and Bernie with the left. Overall though, she was solid but I don't know that she helped herself much rather than holding serve. A BIG part of that was the friggin' time constraints though. When Warren can go off for a minute and detail her plans, she sounds amazing but in the constraints of the time limits and hit with some really dumb questions...she did good but not great more or less.
5. Buttigeig - Similar case to Warren in that I'm not sure he said anything that really stood out. He had a couple of memorable lines, one about kids doing active shooter drills before they can spell. But his strategy of being vapid so that you can fill in the blanks with your own hopeful projections just doesn't work when there are so many people on stage pushing some form of a vision for the country. Booker laid out having the same academic achievement and mayoral experience; Harris indirectly call Buttigeig out for not reaching black voters; Tulsi hit him on some bizarre border comments; and yet between the kid gloves he gets on most questions and from the media...I also don't think any of that will stick to hurt him, but I didn't see any gains. Best answer of the night? Climate conscious agriculture for rural areas. Everything else, forgettable.
5. Klobuchar - Why do we need the BBQ Becky energy so heavy? What does Klobuchar offer that sets her apart from the rest of the stage? Is there a person with less charisma on the stage? All of these flashed through my mind while we waded through way too much talking time for a candidate who polls well in her home state and that's it. She's a redundant presence with no steam who we've been forcefed for two debates now. Let's see if this one gives her any kinda bump but I was right last time and doubt I'll be wrong this time. I'd rather hear Yang talk...
6. Yang - Speaking of Yang, I don't like the guy but the fix is in. He got less than 7 minutes according to WaPo while Warren led with more than 13 minutes and 6 other candidates got more 10.7 minutes or more. So he didn't get much opportunity to stand out and he also hit his usual talking points without anything fresh. The take back our data thing and UBI...that's what he hits us with every time out and it's gotten old. With more opportunities maybe he'd do more. His best bit wasn't policy based it was saying he'd tell Putin "sorry for beating your guy" or whatever that quip was. It was well played.
7. Steyer - I might be biased because I feel like he has a creepy staring into the camera thing when he speaks. I say that because his answers weren't bad and I do think there's a bit of value to a billionaire being up there who can say "I spend on important issues because I have that money and I see the corruption and greed" but it's not that much value when Bernie and Warren are already on the stage and the rest of the line has been borrowing from their rhetoric too. It's hard not to think this guy coulda spent that fortune on his on better pursuits...buy MSNBC and make it worth watching again or something Tom.
8. Biden - Dude was stammering and his stand out moment was talking about how we have to keep punching at Domestic Violence. He mostly came across awkward but he did have one great moment. His answer on Saudi Arabia deserves a ton of props and is a great signal that even on Foreign Policy the party is starting to shift. Because that was about as clear and harsh as you can be. But otherwise, Biden continues to struggle to be coherent at times and stammering at others. It's not who I'd like to see take on Trump.
9. Gabbard - You can't have Trump using your answers in a celebratory manner and think you've done well in a Democratic Primary Debate. She did have some moments. I though Harris won their exchange though and the Pete hit she threw was solid but border issues really seem to have the least informed opinions from the masses of damn near anything we debate. Harris framed Tulsi as someone who markets herself to Fox and tried to get in Trump's good favors...and giddy Republicans highlighting her answers made that point stick out more than anything Tulsi said.
I thought Yang was better than Amy. He had a good answer about AI and how China is leaping ahead of the USA, the white supremacist attacks being counted as domestic terror and his closing statement was the best one of the bunch, IMO.
storyteller
Veteran
The White Supremacist terror comment is one I def shoulda given credit for. The China and AI stuff is a spot I'm fairly skeptical on, not recognizing the problem but having real solutions. Overall though, I thought his performance really only fell short in that he got so little time to craft his vision. Everyone felt short on time even Warren who led the field and had almost double his time. Dude might have to pick a fight just to get extra microphone time. I do credit him, at least he's pushing different ideas but he needs more time to sell them and you know me...danger being that the couple of times I've seen him face that scrutiny to flesh things out, he's flopped in my mind.
daemonova
hit it, & I didn't go Erykah Badu crazy, #yallmad
Ppl want to talk about the death of this site, but the extreme left movement on here as if this a left country is the only symptom I see of it.
When trump get reelected next year because y'all was pressed for a socialist, I'll be reaffirmed in the fact that I was right and being mindblowned ever time ppl call Tulsi gabbard a puppet wasn't in vain.
When trump get reelected next year because y'all was pressed for a socialist, I'll be reaffirmed in the fact that I was right and being mindblowned ever time ppl call Tulsi gabbard a puppet wasn't in vain.
