Official 2020 Iowa Caucus Thread

[Dr. Acula]

Man there is a lot of damn bickering in this thread. SMH.

 

[storyteller]

Running conspiracy theories isn't a good look regardless of who the candidate is. That's not being passionate, it's being deranged. Liz has moved on and is trying to win NH. If she loses fairly, then she loses. But from the looks of it, Bernie stans will be on full Pepe Silvia mode even if he loses fairly. The only result these people will acknowledge as legitimate is a Bernie victory. Instead of concocting conspiracy theories, I'd be more focused on the failure to get turnout above 2016 numbers, but that's just me .

I truly believe the biggest weakness for Warren and her supporters is being worried about being judged. Yall once again blew a chance to call out a fiasco and how it hurt your candidate but you're worried you'll be treated like conspiracy theorists? Why? Just point at what's known...there was gross incompetence that has allowed Pete Buttigeig to claim an unwarranted victory which has bumped him to second in New Hampshire. That will put Warren's campaign on life support imo. She should have had all week to sell herself as the more viable candidate, instead Pete got the Iowa bump so far.

But god forbid you act upset about your candidate getting harmed by the failures of the process...you might be called a conspiracy theorist .

I said it right after the mess began

She overperformed to a nice third place finish and with the lack of Pete's viability (imho) she'd likely have a shot to be able to position herself as the true compromise option.

The opportunity to make this play is slipping away, you need momentum for Super Tuesday. I still think Liz can put the work in via the debates but damn...yall shoulda made at least some noise and it didn't take a conspiracy theory at all.

 

[Uno Venova]

I’m supposed to take some pearl clutching about “mean” Bernie bro’s seriously

 

[Kenny West]

Man stfu. Y’all nikkas just crazy. Type to take your ball and go home shyt. Go on twitter all day long to bytch and complain.

Its really telling how that chart someone posted yesterday how liz supporters are willing to ride with anyone if liz doesn’t win. Every other candidate supporters are the type to not vote and give us four more years of trump. Y’all bros gon find out real quick when trump get 2 more Supreme Court seats and rolls back civil rights

I love it.

People are telling you they want real change, whats not to get?

You so upset when this party has spent decades on unsuccessfully trying to court republicans people arent motivated by politics itself unfortunately. They want change in their lives

How is this any different than the independents and repubs that dem have historically tried to court?

 

[acri1]

I truly believe the biggest weakness for Warren and her supporters is being worried about being judged. Yall once again blew a chance to call out a fiasco and how it hurt your candidate but you're worried you'll be treated like conspiracy theorists? Why? Just point at what's known...there was gross incompetence that has allowed Pete Buttigeig to claim an unwarranted victory which has bumped him to second in New Hampshire. That will put Warren's campaign on life support imo. She should have had all week to sell herself as the more viable candidate, instead Pete got the Iowa bump so far.

But god forbid you act upset about your candidate getting harmed by the failures of the process...you might be called a conspiracy theorist .

I said it right after the mess began



The opportunity to make this play is slipping away, you need momentum for Super Tuesday. I still think Liz can put the work in via the debates but damn...yall shoulda made at least some noise and it didn't take a conspiracy theory at all.

Nobody likes the Iowa Primary nonsense at this point (other than probably Buttigeg) but somebody has to be the adult in the room.

I'm less concerned about who wins the primary than I am that people will drum up so much disdain for the DNC that people will use it as a reason not to turn out in November.

 

[the kid]

Great job from Liz in the past few days. I think her position as the best candidate will be highlighted as more candidates leave the race. I imagine that when Klobuchar steps aside you see a large bump for Liz. Liz just needs to hold on long enough to gain support from the various bases. I think Sanders will have a difficult time gaining the support of also rans based on the way he and his supporters have decided to run this primary.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Running conspiracy theories isn't a good look regardless of who the candidate is. That's not being passionate, it's being deranged. Liz has moved on and is trying to win NH. If she loses fairly, then she loses. But from the looks of it, Bernie stans will be on full Pepe Silvia mode even if he loses fairly. The only result these people will acknowledge as legitimate is a Bernie victory. Instead of concocting conspiracy theories, I'd be more focused on the failure to get turnout above 2016 numbers, but that's just me .

This is the real story. Bros have been telling me that Bernie's whole strategy is expanding the electorate with brand new voters and that was gonna manifest itself into a movement that will get some of the bigger pictured items passed Mitch McConnell(don't laugh pls). Fact is the turn out was in a lot of ways a huge failure for the Bernie campaign. He was suppose to have #'s that were beyond polling when in reality things turned out almost exactly as the polling predicted. Outside of Biden tanking like the process Sixers.

 

[DonKnock]

So passionate equals being insulting?

Calling people wetblanks makes them want to team up with Bernie Bros?

Maybe I should give Bootyjudge a second look? He did so well against Bernie??

If you're "giving Bootyjudge a second look" then you were never a policy minded progressive to begin with because Butti gang has no policy proposals out there and is running off of cliches, youth, and looks.

 

[storyteller]

Nobody likes the Iowa Primary nonsense at this point (other than probably Buttigeg) but somebody has to be the adult in the room.

I'm less concerned about who wins the primary than I am that people will drum up so much disdain for the DNC that people will use it as a reason not to turn out in November.

This is exactly what I mean. Being the adult in the room shouldn't mean your candidate getting screwed and you not saying a damned thing. I'm supposed to believe yall can stand up to the fukkery coming from the GOP in a general when you just got bodied and cheated by Mayor Pete but won't say anything so you can look "mature?" Step your game up. And I'm specifically talking about Warren's supporters, yall have led her into more own goals than any other candidate in this race. It's wild.

 

[No1]

Great job from Liz in the past few days. I think her position as the best candidate will be highlighted as more candidates leave the race. I imagine that when Klobuchar steps aside you see a large bump for Liz. Liz just needs to hold on long enough to gain support from the various bases. I think Sanders will have a difficult time gaining the support of also rans based on the way he and his supporters have decided to run this primary.

What exactly have his supporters done? I am genuinely curious because this is a left field hot take.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Nobody likes the Iowa Primary nonsense at this point (other than probably Buttigeg) but somebody has to be the adult in the room.

I'm less concerned about who wins the primary than I am that people will drum up so much disdain for the DNC that people will use it as a reason not to turn out in November.

Facts. Liz fans know the deal. We're not talking crazy because this ain't no cult hell it's not even a stan base. We know the bigger picture is to remove agent orange. We also acknowledge that Warren is by far most competent person for the job, however there is a greater enemy that must be defeated. Weakening our side before the true war has begun is foolish. Republicans will manufacture disinformation and conspiracy theories...do we really need to add fuel to the fire?

 

[No1]

Nobody likes the Iowa Primary nonsense at this point (other than probably Buttigeg) but somebody has to be the adult in the room.

I'm less concerned about who wins the primary than I am that people will drum up so much disdain for the DNC that people will use it as a reason not to turn out in November.

And therein lies why you’re at odds with so many. You’re already in beat Trump mode and everyone else is still advocating for their preferred candidate. You’ve detached yourself from the process. The entire world is calling out Iowa, and saying nothing doesn’t make you look strong. If anything, it makes you look weak to progressives who have seen Republicans do fukk shyt and Democrats try to “adult” the situation to no avail.

 

[CrushedGroove]

I'm all for pulling for your candidate and highlighting the differences in why your pulling for 1 instead of another, but I don't understand why the animosity over the followers.

I can comprehend the frustration over those willing to torpedo the election if they don't get their candidate but not over the other pettiness.

There's too much at stake to be hardline divided over the smallest things. No one get 100% of what they want. Be willing to accept 70-80% or get nothing at all.

 

[Json]

You're conflating Bernie as a person and his supporters, missing the point of the obama comparison completely.

Sanders is the same in his messaging, he dilligently stays away from race and identity politics and unifies people against inequality & unjust systems. He criticizes his rivals on policy rather than personally. Bernie himself is a really nice guy, perhaps too nice for politics. He unifies on ideas.

This is what brought so much diversity to his supporters. Whites and minorities, " Toxic" and otherwise. And I fukk with it, someone has to have the teeth he doesnt.

You talk about only talk about messaging NOW when Obama is brought up but you were complaining about people on the internet this whole time.

If you don't understand this basic psychology, we can stop here.

A head coach/QB sets the tone. You don't see WR's and linemen bashing Tom Brady every game(win or lose) cause the leader sets the example even when things are good and when they get bad or frustrating.

Bernie is setting the example. What's his appeal? That he consistent and doesn't waiver. That he's always been the same. That he's in your face(I wrote the damn bill). That he's going to break the system.

So how is that same approach not being taken by his surroagates online? So when someone says things are rigged and that the DNC system needs to be destroyed and Trump getting 4 more years will do it. So you have Bernie Bros who won't waiver and admit, oh, well it happens. No it's a conspiracy!!!!

Bro Obama's success is not no mystery lol

This seems entirely in your perception. I dont know what you're talking about here

If you don't understand what I'm talking about after I spelled it out. I guess we agree. You don't get it.

Yes that same passion is what got us trump, thats why we need passion on the left to beat him.

Your arguing from a fallacious position. Passion itself isnt evil. It can manifest itself as evil if it comes from evil people sure. But passion is what makes people show up in an otherwise politically disengaged society.

People (who are a minority in number) were motivated to vote for trump, thats what got him the win. They may have been mean spirited people motivated by mean spirited intention but they showed up.

What if the left could energize the regular decent folks who make up the majority of the country instead of trotting out another candidate that serves mainly the DNC's intrests for the people to begrudgingly vote for. Because the latter worked out so well before...

I mean this is semantics. You're just characterizing a whole group of people's motivations as evil just cause they aren't on our side. That's not why passion is dangerous.

I don't have a problem with people being passionate about overturning Roe v Wade. I have a problem when that passion is used to subvert the rules.

So when if Bernie were to lose cause every other candidates support went to someone else. That's not subversion or rigging against Bernie. He just lost. But to some passionate supporters. Not getting their way is what would lead them to supporting Trump or not the Dem nominee. Nothing to do with evil.

 

[StatUS]

I'm all for pulling for your candidate and highlighting the differences in why your pulling for 1 instead of another, but I don't understand why the animosity over the followers.

I can comprehend the frustration over those willing to torpedo the election if they don't get their candidate but not over the other pettiness.

There's too much at stake to be hardline divided over the smallest things. No one get 100% of what they want. Be willing to accept 70-80% or get nothing at all.

Alot of Warren supporters are playing the sit back and wait game but this is gonna be one of those election where you're gonna have to hit these streets. The Democrat establishment don't love her either in she needs her supporters to be just as passionate as anyone else. Even Hillary had some go hards. By all accounts she had as big an operation in Iowa as anyone and could only pull 3rd and she's sitting in third in all these recent polls.

If Bernie or even Butti or Biden pull out wins over her it's not guaranteed that people will just move to her from other candidates if there is no momentum. I don't know how people expect her to win if she has no victories going into Super Tuesday.