Official 2020 Iowa Caucus Thread

[PoorAndDangerous]

I didn’t realize the DNC came in to help count the votes lmaoo unbelievable.

 

[Pressure]

I didn’t realize the DNC came in to help count the votes lmaoo unbelievable.

You were previously complaining about them doing nothing.

 

[Json]

Nah, this is the type of BS that lets the incompetence continue. People aren't stupid. You tell them "this was a screw up but we're going to improve" and work from there. It's much better than pretending nothing's wrong like the "this is fine" meme in the burning building. You know why you call out mistakes? So you don't repeat them. Plain and simple.

Where did I say don't call out mistakes? I specifically sited ObamaCare as a disaster. That's what internal reviews are for. You don't just broadcast every step of a process to review a mistake daily. Cause information changes and it takes time.

It sucks cause the primaries are close to each other and by the time the reviews get done, no one will care except for the Iowa election people who are supposed to get ready for 2020 and 2024.

But you don't want anyone in your organization calling for someone else's job. That's bad for your team morale and that's what the Dems are suppose to be. A team.

Bernie isn't a dam. But you're dreaming if you don't think EVERYONE has supporters that attack and do low ball shyt. This wouldn't be bad faith or low blows. This would be honesty about wtf happened. Bernie didn't screw Warren or her supporters over. Pete Buttigeig did. The Iowa Dems lack of competence did. The DNC looking out for buddies instead of what's viable did. So if yall want to make this about Bernie supporters, it's just more stupidity. Making excuses for the people screwing you over at the expense of the only ones willing to point out you got hosed.

This is nonsense. I never said anything about anyone's supporter's being innocent.

But you're lying if we aren't going to acknowledge that Bernie supporters are the only one's advocating for Perez firing(and no I supported Ellison). For accusing Hilary and Buttigieg(sp?) supporters for being behind the apps fail to stop Bernie.

Guess what. Dems will be in connection to Dems. Hillary has been in the Dem party since like the 70s. You think she won't have connections and supports throughout the Dem infrastructure? Bernie didn't change his affiliation until 5 years ago. He has the same amount of people in the DNC infrastructure as AOC and Talib. That's just a fact.

That's no more of link to sabotage than Trump claiming that Peter Stoark agent guy was spying on him cause he didn't like him. Both of these accusations are harmful cause it tells people that the only people who are trustworthy are those loyal to me. That people can't just get up and do their jobs without bias.

 

[storyteller]

I'm personally not biting my tongue, I have multiple posts in here about how Liz got screwed here. I just think there's a difference between critique and conspiracy, and I don't see how Liz jumping around yelling "I've been cheated!" would have gone well for her. It's not about "we're above this" it's about trying to unify the party because this country is sliding in fascism we need all hands on deck.

I've typed this multiple times to you, SHE doesn't need to jump around and say a damned thing. HER SUPPORTERS should be vocal and drawing attention to it. And YES, that's where the "We're above this" thing comes in. You're not unifying a damned thing letting yourself be pushed aside and ignored. What good is a unifying strategy that makes you an afterthought with no chance to change or unify anything? I don't even think that's fair with the amount of potshots at Bernie most Warren supporters have done.

 

[King Kreole]

Listen, yall need to be cognizant of the fact that the establishment doesn't want Warren. They're gonna cheat her and pot shot her every step of the way. SHE can't speak up, yall can and you can lean in to the angle she chose. "This was a mess, MY candidate got hurt the worst" make some noise and get her some attention. She overachieved and beat Biden, hype her up! She should have gained on the NH polling off that performance, not lost ground to Pete.

Of course the establishment doesn't want Warren, she was the biggest progressive thorn in their side during the Obama years and they spent the entire Fall tearing her down. But they're a powerful faction of the Democratic Party, so pretending they don't exist or can just be told to fukk off is stupid. We're in a nomination process and they'll have to make decisions, like every other faction of the party.

I've seen multiple prominent Liz supporters boosting the narrative that she's getting screwed here, but that's obviously not going to get picked up and amplified by MSM because the overall tenor of her campaign is bringing coalitions together under the progressive banner. Bernie's coalition is more abrasive, which makes for more fukkery and entertainment, and they have an alternative media landscape to boost their own takes. If that wins him the nomination, he'll deserve to have won! If it loses him the nomination at a contested convention, he'll deserve to have lost! Same goes for Liz's strategy.

 

[Kenny West]

A campaign isn't a organization of individuals?



Of that's right. When someone is barely connected to Hilary or voted for her write an article negative of Bernie. It's a conspiracy by the DNC to stop Bernie's rise!

But a Bernie campaign staffer insults Warren or Biden...that's not what Sander's is about. It's a rogue staffer!!!

Maybe If that staffer's insult was in any way was an offically endorsed stance of the campaign you'd have a point. Otherwise youre just being disingenuous.

Sarcasm doesnt change the facts. Countless examples of anti bernie collusion exist. Hilary's email leak happend. She lost because of it. People's trust in the DNC and news media is at an all time low as a byproduct of it. Telling people they're crazy for noticing doesnt mean it didnt happen.

That's not what I said. You said any passion in good. and I disagree.

Quote that playboy

That's not sematincs. That's fact. These things happened. The Tea Party and such proved it.

Get over yourself.

Tea Party repubs are in power right now riding a wave of rebellious populism.

And the media didn't unfairly attack Hilary? Male news anchor's sexist questioning and such?

Was proof uncovered of collision that caused this?

She still got the most votes. Cause she got her people to come out.

And colluded with media organizations to not cover bernie

Dont forget that FACT.

And it's not the public questioning the election security of the app or counting that's the problem. It's that trying to link it conspiracies even after it's been proven wrong that's the problem. Naming Hilary people who had nothing to do with the app cause they didn't take 5 minutes to research instead of seeing one article.

This is literally semantics lol

You say questioning the process is fine just not certain questions or not drawing certain conclusions lol. Who controls that?

The questions wouldnt be there if things ran smoothly, fact.

The ratfukking accusations wouldnt be there if the dnc werent caught ratfukking red handed, fact.

Enjoy your day

 

[Heelish]

And colluded with media organizations to not cover bernie

Dont forget that FACT.

Also colluded with them to push Trump as her opponent.

 

[Json]

Maybe If that staffer's insult was in any way was an offically endorsed stance of the campaign you'd have a point. Otherwise youre just being disingenuous.

You are being disingenuous if you need Bernie to sanction insults but are okay spreading conspiracies of DNC collusion because they're a Hilary supporter.

If being tangentially connected is okay to prove collusion for one it's okay for the other. They are apart of Bernie's campaign so he must have approved it!!! Collusion!!!

That's the danger.

You have great day too.

 

[duncanthetall]

You were previously complaining about them doing nothing.

They came in to help....and each time they’ve updated the results there have been mistakes. Goofy shyt

 

[Miles Davis]

Y’all gotta fight for Warren, it ain’t looking for her for NH, NV and SC. We need her and Bernie as the top 2.

Look at this shyt.
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[duncanthetall]

Of course the establishment doesn't want Warren, she was the biggest progressive thorn in their side during the Obama years and they spent the entire Fall tearing her down. But they're a powerful faction of the Democratic Party, so pretending they don't exist or can just be told to fukk off is stupid. We're in a nomination process and they'll have to make decisions, like every other faction of the party.

I've seen multiple prominent Liz supporters boosting the narrative that she's getting screwed here, but that's obviously not going to get picked up and amplified by MSM because the overall tenor of her campaign is bringing coalitions together under the progressive banner. Bernie's coalition is more abrasive, which makes for more fukkery and entertainment, and they have an alternative media landscape to boost their own takes. If that wins him the nomination, he'll deserve to have won! If it loses him the nomination at a contested convention, he'll deserve to have lost! Same goes for Liz's strategy.

Lol. If Bernie loses the nomination due to contested convention, especially if someone like Bloomberg or Hillary is nominated, Trump is getting 4 more years. This is something the establishment in power and also the media is gonna have to recognize. shyt would get very messy very quick

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

You were previously complaining about them doing nothing.

Why would the DNC come in at the very end of the vote reporting? It can’t be for accuracy because doesn’t that call into question the results that were already reported by Iowa?

 

[Pressure]

They came in to help....and each time they’ve updated the results there have been mistakes. Goofy shyt

You're literally in a situation where you're working with volunteers and you don't have enough.

So then you bring in additional volunteers who are trying to help and you're upset about it?

I can tell y'all don't do shyt in the community.

 

[Pressure]

Why would the DNC come in at the very end of the vote reporting? It can’t be for accuracy because doesn’t that call into question the results that were already reported by Iowa?

The most likely scenario is that Iowa needs more volunteers considering they've been at this 4 days and people have lives.

 

[duncanthetall]

You're literally in a situation where you're working with volunteers and you don't have enough.

So then you bring in additional volunteers who are trying to help and you're upset about it?

I can tell y'all don't do shyt in the community.

Lol you got it right. You’re hovering above me.



This shouldn’t be happening. Period.