Official 2020 Iowa Caucus Thread

[wire28]

it was only kinda, sorta rigged

 

[Loose]

This shyt about 100 precincts having incorrect results is crazy. If they really let people leave viable candidates or added people in after the first vote, there might not even be a way to get s legit total.

Iowa Caucus Results Riddled With Errors and Inconsistencies

Honestly it's way too convoluted

 

[BillBanneker]

I highly doubt that. Warren has a progressive record she can fall back on. Her political instincts haven't been on point that last few months. Jumping off the deep end on m4a and de-criminalizing the border are two things she should have stayed away from.

This doesn't really mesh well with her core voters though.

She can't use her progressive record if she moves to the center, she'll be considered a flip flopper, which hurts her badly . A centrist democratic woman just doesn't have any appeal in this election cycle, she'll still be duking it out with Biden/klobuchar/Pete for what's left of that group, while probably loosing whatever appeal she has with her current base (educated workers). The m4a thing on her end is true, although I feel I think she's played her cards too early, and came across as wave riding Bernie and then backing out. I think that's more so due to bad instincts and communication than position.

I'm not as familiar with her border proposal so I can't say.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Iowa is done with caucuses after this shyt. I can tell you that much.

Way to fukk up your chances to let your voices be heard.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We're talking about a minority of democrats here, even a good amount of right wingers support m4a and if the sitting president is out here marching for it, giving speeches and applying pressure to conservative dems I don't see it losing support.

we're not talking a minority...most ppl want a public option, not a govt only option.

Among adults overall, a narrow majority (53%) support the idea of a Medicare-for-all plan while a larger majority (65%) say they support a government-run public option that would compete with private insurance

 

[Loose]

we're not talking a minority...most dems want a public option, not a govt only option.

Most Democrats aren't even progressive either. Regardless of where Warren stand either her or bernie is going to impact each other

 

[nyknick]

While you guys are having you pissing contests, I think the candidates need to come together and show some sign of unity. This debacle does nothing to turn out the voter base for anyone.

I don't see how Biden can mount a comeback with let's all get along attitude. He has to go all out on Pete and also few shots at Bernie.

Once the primaries are over then lets all be friends, but this "oh my God how dare you say something about another candidate" is still really crazy to me.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Decriminalization of the border is a right wing talking point. Before Sessions I think it was a misdemeanor for illegal crossing with no other shyt going on. Jeff made it a felony. I think the Dem position is to move It back pre Trump.

Warren wants to take it step further and completely repeal the 1325 criminal stature, I think only her and Castro have committed to that.

 

[88m3]

RCP average had Sanders up 3.4% at the end. That's almost exactly his current lead and it looks like it will grow. Buttigieg only outperformed in collecting a few more centrists who bounced during the process but that was more a quirk of the process and particular electorate than anything that will help him going forward.

So you're conceding that Bernie won.

 

[StatUS]

Warren wants to take it step further and completely repeal the 1325 criminal stature, I think only her and Castro have committed to that.

So they want it as civil offense? Then that is a Loser in the general.

 

[King Sun]

How did Warren move to the center? I need to hear your explanation b/c I got a feeling you're just talking out of your ass.

Backpedal on m4a and student loan debt. Before you go on about "realistic" goals you're not going to win that one when we have a funded "space force" program.

 

[Cognito]

Most Democrats aren't even progressive either. Regardless of where Warren stand either her or bernie is going to impact each other

There is a lot more nativist right wing/tea party types electorally than progressives in the US.
Bernie isn't really as progressive as Rose twitter thinks.

 

[nyknick]

M4A is not realistic, especially not in a 4 yr term. i'm quite happy she came up with a realistic transition plan...but wait, her plans for af am's are realistic...funny how that works.

My problem with that and Democrats in general is that they will back down quick from everything. Usually it's because they don't believe in progressive ideas they're pretending to push but also because if there is any push back they fold.

If you back off of M4A in primary, then you back down some more in general and then when you get into the office Pelosi and them will completely strip it and you'll end up with ACA.

Republicans wield power, Democrats don't.

USMCA is another example of it. Warren was on the debate stage saying "yeah I'm for it because it's an incremental improvement, it's not much better but I'm gonna change it, but I'm still voting for it "

When you're running for President you got to make people excited, run with shyt that you want in the perfect world.

You say "We're going to Mars". So then when you end up on the Moon you're good. But if you're running on, "we'll go back to the space station" your ass will end up with a broken rocket at Cape Canaveral.

 

[King Sun]

how did she go to the center? by being realistic about M4A?

She wasn't she being "realistic" by not standing behind her people at standing rock

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Y'all making too much of Pete I think.. I'm going to say he still gets stomped in the south, northeast and out west