OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Stop_It_5]

 

[KevCo]

George Lucas helped direct Game of Thrones’ season 8 premiere

 

[detach]

If the Night King's ice dragon kills the living with it's fire, would they still become white walkers despite dying by fire?

 

[The axe murderer]

 

[gogogubari]

If the Night King's ice dragon kills the living with it's fire, would they still become white walkers despite dying by fire?

That’s may be the way the NK has to die. The dragon wight is basically fire and ice, right?

 

[Norrin Radd]

Explains a lot

 

[obarth]

Dany killing them.

Is Tyrion king or something? When did I miss this? He didn't want her to kill them and she disagreed. She explained herself, something that a person allegedly spiraling into madness wouldn't bother to do. Listening to counsel does not mean following it every time. Like Dany responds to him "I said what I said". If her word means nothing, then she most definitely is not fit to lead. Jon did the same thing when Janos Slynt refused an order. Unlike the two Tarlys, Janos thought Jon was bluffing. When he realized Jon was serious, he begged for mercy and said he'd follow orders. Jon killed him anyway He could have thrown him in a cell to let him think about it, but he realized he would look weak in front of his men and he would be tested again and again. Tyrion and Varys are counselors and not Kings for a reason. They don't have the stomach for it. Robb had the stomach for it when he executed one of his own generals for insubordination even though it would mean losing the support of that general's men. Dany makes it clear she's not taking prisoners and neither Tarly is willing to bend the knee. You want her to set these nikkas free or something? Nah, get down or lay down

 

[Trajan]

The fact the Night King never utters a word and just gets busy is . Very demonic. Reminds me of the cartel twins in Breaking Bad. Something very unnerving about cold silent killers as opposed to loudmouths like Tuco

And him being handed his javelin to bring down the dragon with a thunderbolt from the heavens was ....has to be one of the top scenes from GOT

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Is Tyrion king or something? When did I miss this? He didn't want her to kill them and she disagreed. She explained herself, something that a person allegedly spiraling into madness wouldn't bother to do. Listening to counsel does not mean following it every time. Like Dany responds to him "I said what I said". If her word means nothing, then she most definitely is not fit to lead. Jon did the same thing when Janos Slynt refused an order. Unlike the two Tarlys, Janos thought Jon was bluffing. When he realized Jon was serious, he begged for mercy and said he'd follow orders. Jon killed him anyway He could have thrown him in a cell to let him think about it, but he realized he would look weak in front of his men and he would be tested again and again. Tyrion and Varys are counselors and not Kings for a reason. They don't have the stomach for it. Robb had the stomach for it when he executed one of his own generals for insubordination even though it would mean losing the support of that general's men. Dany makes it clear she's not taking prisoners and neither Tarly is willing to bend the knee. You want her to set these nikkas free or something? Nah, get down or lay down

It's like you forgot flow of this discussion.

You said we were stretching to shyt on Dany for this decision because of our house allegiances. I countered that it was you stretching to defend Dany here due to your unfortunate allegiance. I brought up the fact that her own counsel didn't think she should have killed him, so clearly we're not stretching by calling her out for it. Then you started juelzing....first they just didn't want her to burn them alive, then you claimed Tyrion just didn't want to see a great house wiped out.

Glad you finally agree that Tyrion simply didn't think she should kill them, cuz that was the only point I was making

 

[obarth]

It's like you forgot flow of this discussion.

You said we were stretching to shyt on Dany for this decision because of our house allegiances. I countered that it was you stretching to defend Dany here due to your unfortunate allegiance. I brought up the fact that her own counsel didn't think she should have killed him, so clearly we're not stretching by calling her out for it. Then you started juelzing....first they just didn't want her to burn them alive, then you claimed Tyrion just didn't want to see a great house wiped out.

Glad you finally agree that Tyrion simply didn't think she should kill them, cuz that was the only point I was making

Juelzing what? Clearly I don't think killing the Tarly's was a bad idea. Clearly she doesn't either. My first post on this topic I sat here and explained mad different reasons why it wasn't a bad idea and you want to keep telling me what Tyrion and Varys think as if I care. Tyrion and Varys aren't the leaders. Dany has had her counselors disagree with her ever since she was about to step into Drogo's funeral pyre. Have you ever thought she might know what she's doing? Keep that same energy when Lyanna Mormont or Sansa want to shyt on Jon's decisions since apparently your subordinates disagreeing with you means you're making dumb decisions and losing your mind.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Juelzing what? Clearly I don't think killing the Tarly's was a bad idea. Clearly she doesn't either. My first post on this topic I sat here and explained mad different reasons why it wasn't a bad idea and you want to keep telling me what Tyrion and Varys think as if I care. Tyrion and Varys aren't the leaders. Dany has had her counselors disagree with her ever since she was about to step into Drogo's funeral pyre. Have you ever thought she might know what she's doing? Keep that same energy when Lyanna Mormont or Sansa want to shyt on Jon's decisions since apparently your subordinates disagreeing with you means you're making dumb decisions and losing your mind.

You not caring what her counsel thinks, is your angle now. Before, you tried to claim they didn't think it (they were just squeamish over dragons/had too much respect for ancient houses).

And again, I only brought up her counsel not agreeing with the decision to support the notion that saying it was the wrong decision isn't just some blind hate due to house allegiances. The show wouldn't have had a scene with her counsel discussing how they thought it was a bad decision if it wasn't something that might not have been justified.

 

[obarth]

You not caring what her counsel thinks, is your angle now. Before, you tried to claim they didn't think it (they were just squeamish over dragons/had too much respect for ancient houses).

And again, I only brought up her counsel not agreeing with the decision to support the notion that saying it was the wrong decision isn't just some blind hate due to house allegiances. The show wouldn't have had a scene with her counsel discussing how they thought it was a bad decision if it wasn't something that might not have been justified.

You needed me to come in here and say " Tyrion didn't want her to kill them"? That's implied, famI wouldn't be in here giving her reasons for doing it anyway if he had agreed with her from jump. I came in here replying about your opinion that what she did was dumb. My statement about y'all going overboard with the Dany hate has nothing to do with other characters in the show having their reservations with her decisions. Barristan didn't agree with her crucifying the masters. She's had people disagree with her methods/decisions plenty of times. I was talking about y'all in the thread since I don't think anyone in her circle has a legitimate concern about her. They're not a fan of burning their enemies alive? Did Tyrion feel that way at the Battle of the Blackwater?Did Varys feel that way when he assured Tyrion everyone knew why they really won that battle?Did either one of those nikkas do anything about the remaining stashes of wildfire in the city that ended up being used by an actual Mad Queen to kill innocents?Didn't Varys swear to tell Dany if she wasn't doing right by the people? Has he done that?

 

[Reece]

When Sansa and Jon reunited at Castle Black she asked him where he was going. He said South to be warm and he was going to take her with him. She pleaded with him to go try to defeat Ramsay in order to get Rickon back. She didn’t make it about Winterfell she made it about family and Rickon. The Battle Of The b*stards from Jon’s perspective was to save Rickon. Sansa knew from the very beginning that Rickon was a goner but didn’t tell Jon that until the NIGHT BEFORE THE BATTLE. She put Jon’s life in danger on the foundation of a lie. Because she wanted revenge but was too weak of mind and body to get it herself. So she used Jon as her rook and Rickon as her pawn

Sansa has turned on every single family member, its laughable that Arya would hold her in any type of high esteem on the basis of family values. Thats just bad writing on the show’s part and should have never been included.

Sounds smart to me

Maybe it was manipulative for her to lie to Jon but, Littlefinger, Tywin, Lady Olenna, Tyrion and Varys aren't exactly beacons of honesty. And I don't hear people coming at them like they do Sansa. Jon was talking about giving everything up, going South and forgetting about Winterfell. The Starks been running shyt for 8,000 years....8,000 years and Jon was talking about he's done She put Jon's life and others at risk. Okay. What she did wasn't all that different than Robb not telling Edmure he purposely wanted Tywin's army to cross the Riverlands. Robb kept Edmure in the dark while Tywin's army went across raping and pillaging and burning farms across his lands. Edmure could've easily got killed fighting out there because he had no idea what was going on and wanted to protect his people. Yet no one calls Robb out really for endangering Edmure's life. Same shyt.

Sansa had one goal. Get Winterfell back. She would've been honest with Jon about her real goal but, Jon was tripping after getting killed (understandable). He didn't care about fighting anymore. So, Sansa said whatever she had to say to get Jon to fight because she knew the Northerners wouldn't rally around her. So Sansa used Rickon to bring him back around. It was manipulative but, fukk it. She knew Ramsey wasn't going to let Rickon go. She just got finished being raped by dude two times a day + seeing the nikka flay people alive + seeing him sick dogs on his own brother and her mom The fact Jon didn't come to understand that meant Jon underestimated how depraved that dude was. Jon fought against physical threats (Thenns, Karl Tanner, White Walkers) but, he didn't have much experience with dudes that fukked with people psychologically. Ramsey won that battle. He baited Jon just like Sansa said he would and Jon failed. Sansa was right to keep the Vale secret because she needed Jon and the other Northerners to believe they had no one else coming so Ramsey would believe. Was it wrong? Yes. Was it manipulative? Yes. Was it stupid? No. She played Ramsey like a fiddle.

That to me DOES show that Sansa became a player. On top of all that, she played the fukk out of Littlefinger the next season. Remember breh...this is the same Sansa that wanted to eat lemoncakes and hear love stories a couple seasons ago. Sansa bossed up heavily. What other female characters besides Dany have executed secret war strategies. Now if she lies to Jon again, then I'll agree with her being in the wrong but, she had to do what she had to do against Ramsey.

 

[Reece]

Sansa got Littlefinger, Sweetrobin, the Vale lords, Jon, and the Northern lords to do exactly what she wanted them to do and baited Ramsey into doing exactly what she knew he would do but somehow she’s not a player I love Jon like everyone else and I was mad salty with Sansa last year but after having time to let it digest she bossed up on them. If Ned or Robb had thought like her, they’d still be alive.

 

[Silkk]

Sansa got Littlefinger, Sweetrobin, the Vale lords, Jon, and the Northern lords to do exactly what she wanted them to do and baited Ramsey into doing exactly what she knew he would do but somehow she’s not a player I love Jon like everyone else and I was mad salty with Sansa last year but after having time to let it digest she bossed up on them. If Ned or Robb had thought like her, they’d still be alive.

Pretty sure getting bent over & fukked in the ass wasn't in her plans breh