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I almost prefer your previous post, because at least that was entertaining. This is not only boring, it's totally false. When you make a claim like "most" we're gonna need a citation. Most industrial jobs were absolutely not lost by the 1970s. Economists from all parts of the spectrum have not shown that incomes of the middle class have increased WHATSOEVER, let alone to the low costs of goods. I already explained to you that the essentials people purchase on a day to day basis are more expensive today that they were in 1986. You're trying to paint this as a natural evolution but it is a political one. You see China liberalized in the early 1980's and the free trade crowd later in the decade, like your home girl HRC who was a Wal-Mart executive (conflict of interest much?), saw a golden opportunity to cut labor costs, and then sold the American people a big pile of steaming shyt called NAFTA. They promised hundreds of thousands, no MILLIONS of jobs, and that never happened. If they had tried to sell people on your strange social/societal engineering, people would have said GTFO. The facts are that free trade has been at very best a net -neutral to American society, and that is being exceedingly generous to your side. The only thing that has increased astronomically and noticeably is corporate profits. That is a fact. Any chart shows that corporate profits since trade liberalization have been increased astronomically, while their taxes and percentage of the federal budget contribution have been cut to a fraction as they increased control over the government.

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You're right in that trade has been a net neutral. Economists have stated that the jobs lost would have been lost anyway, and getting rid of NAFTA outright would do more harm than good. Overall, his stance is closer to the truth than yours although you did include a few facts in your argument.
 

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You're right in that trade has been a net neutral. Economists have stated that the jobs lost would have been lost anyway, and getting rid of NAFTA outright would do more harm than good. Overall, his stance is closer to the truth than yours although you did include a few facts in your argument.
Its not possible that the sane number of jobs would have been lost if the vast majority of jobs were lost due to outsourcing. Obviously automation and generaly poor economic conditions i.e the recession would have culled some jobs but not at this excelerated rate
 

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Its not possible that the sane number of jobs would have been lost if the vast majority of jobs were lost due to outsourcing. Obviously automation and generaly poor economic conditions i.e the recession would have culled some jobs but not at this excelerated rate
Can you prove that? Because immediately after NAFTA the amount of jobs in manufacturing increased from 94 to 2000

U.S. has lost 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000

Outside of that you're right that trade has accelerated the job loss, but as was stated, the jobs would be lost regardless
 

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Can you prove that? Because immediately after NAFTA the amount of jobs in manufacturing increased from 94 to 2000

U.S. has lost 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000

Outside of that you're right that trade has accelerated the job loss, but as was stated, the jobs would be lost regardless

NAFTA doesn't have an instant impact bruh. The jobs would not be lost "regardless". There are jobs lost that are lost as a direct result of NAFTA. Any job moved to Mexico for example is directly NAFTA.

Heading South: U.S.-Mexico trade and job displacement after NAFTA

Direct job losses due to NAFTA right there. Not to mention the secondary effects of those losses on the communities.
 
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Instead of blaming JUST the government re: NAFTA, blame the companies. They all bid against each other to see; how many non on the book employee's they could have (illegal immigrants), and they've been using the minimum wage so aggressively for years........both are choices made by private LLC's, not the government.
 
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