Official War With Iran Thread

[Serious]

I find it funny that a lot of conservatives are now pulling this both sides would have bombed Iran bs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Sure, I have a bias towards anti-imperialism, anti-colonialism, and human rights. That can lead to me not giving warmongers the benefit of the doubt.

Is that why you’re defending Iranian proxies across the region?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[wire28]

The various levels to the irony of this are

 

[wire28]

I find it funny that a lot of conservatives are now pulling this both sides would have bombed Iran bs

It’s not just conservatives doing that, in their defense

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Everyone here is first and foremost denouncing Trump for these strikes. In fact, the only people who aren't are the people who have refused to criticize the Democratic establishment like Nap and @voiture, because they are servile to American empire. If you're seeing other people make posts that are inaccurate or immoral you should point them out.

I think both of you are good, reasonable posters, but I take issue with what you're doing in these posts because you're (inadvertently, I presume) advocating for the learned helplessness that plagues the opposition to American fascism. There's absolutely nothing anyone here can do to influence the Republican/MAGA decision making apparatus. I don't think anyone here is a registered Republican, I don't think anyone here voted for Trump in the last election. This is a Democrat/Left-leaning subforum, not NBC News' editorial board group chat. So it makes complete sense to also spend our time discussing and lobbying for a suitable reaction from the political party that claims to represent us and is the official opposition force to Trump.

I agree that it's necessary to accurately assess responsibility and blame for these strikes on the people who are actually committing them, which is Trump and the Republican party in control of government, but you turn it into a circle-jerk when you start saying we cannot also discuss the actions and desires of the only entity that has a chance at taking power away from them. There's diminishing utility to having the whole thread be "bad man do bad thing". We don't have to have goldfish memory here. There was a long chain of actions that led us to this point, and many of those actions were done by Democrats as well. If we're to escape from this path of bad bipartisan foreign policy, we can't ban criticism of the Democratic Party. Discussing the history and hypotheticals of where Biden/Kamala/Democratic policy has failed is actually necessary to making sure we reverse course.

A component of the JCPOA was potential strike action. That was literally apart of the deal. There is no window in which this option wasn’t on the table.

 

[Hood Critic]

Why do you want me to defend Iran’s nuclear weapons program?

I want you to defend your cheerleading for the negative implications that will be felt by the American people and the possible lives lost in future attacks against the American people.

I've asked you directly once before and you dodged the question, is your hope to see Tehran leveled into a parking lot?

 

[jj23]

How effective was the US attack on Iran’s nuclear sites? A visual guide

Trump claims the assault ‘totally obliterated’ the key facilities, but what do we know about its impact?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Outlaw]

It’s not just conservatives doing that, in their defense

Horseshoe theory in action,

Why were people bytching at Kamala for campaigning with Liz Cheney again?

Peak irony is the same people bytching at Kamala for Liz are the same people sane washing Trump for his attack on Iran

 

[wire28]

Long word salads are classic signs of trolling

He literally could have just typed “let me blame dems within an hour of Trump bombing Iran in peace” and saved our thumbs the trauma of having to scroll past all that

The irony of the posters who think themselves the most intellectual, consistently making the most wild posts is not lost on me

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I want you to defend your cheerleading for the negative implications that will be felt by the American people and the possible lives lost in future attacks against the American people.

I've asked you directly once before and you dodged the question, is your hope to see Tehran leveled into a parking lot?

theres a risk to iran doing another 9/11 like they did the first time.

I get that.

But Iran has always been a threat and continues to be. I’ve documented this more than anyone on this forum.

However, the threat of backlash is worth derailing an Iranian nuclear program. I support efforts to undermine the program at any cost.

If you think getting nukes would prevent the attacks, then they should be attacked before they get nuclear weapons. This makes absolute sense to me.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

So what can Iran do? I haven't heard anyone on the news or here say what Iran can do or will do.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He literally could have just typed “let me blame dems within an hour of Trump bombing Iran in peace” and saved our thumbs the trauma of having to scroll past all that

The irony of the posters who think themselves the most intellectual, consistently making the most wild posts is not lost on me

It’s a lot of tortured logic.

@King Kreole can’t say he just supports the current Iranian regime and their nuclear program so he has to litigate professorially about international law and the legitimacy of the timing or wax poetically about prolonged wars or poverty spending or something. It’s never a direct statement about what they actually want.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So what can Iran do? I haven't heard anyone on the news or here say what Iran can do or will do.

Asymmetrical warfare.

 

[Loose]

What were they enriching at 60%?

If iran wanted nukes they would have been had nukes you just an unhinged war mongering zionist pig