Official War With Iran Thread

[Poetical Poltergeist]

 

[Loose]

I'm being reductive, yet you literally used the Kremlins talking points to justify the war in general.



United States, bad - cool I got it.

Just so I'm clear, we're going to ignore the reasons Ukraine wanted to be in NATO and skip right to the west entertaining those desires as an acceptable catalyst for the current Ukraine/Russia war - because well, the US by default is the bad guy?

They want to be in NATO because they don’t have the ability to defend themselves. Russia wants Ukraine for strategic reasons involving NATO (and the U.S.) expanding closer to their territory. We’ve been economically starving Cuba for 80 years for a similar reason, because they aren’t politically aligned or subservient. A good 70% of things bad in the world right now you can point to the US

 

[Insensitive]

I mean we just took someone out in the middle of peace (disarmament) talks but I'm wrong
or playing at some unknowable deeper knowledge than I really have when we were
literally the aggressor not even 7 days ago?

Are we really doing this ?

Again, at what point do we question things ?

You don't have to think I'm some genius with a 4-Dimensional understanding of reality to see
what's going on.

 

[mastermind]

breh is running for Spanberger's old seat. He is a former CIA ghoul as well, but this is his analysis of the war:



edit: he is running against Don Beyer in VA 8th,

 

[Hood Critic]

I didn't "use their talking points".
I gave a point-by-point reasoning for why a nation would have an issue with their geopolitical rival setting up
shop in their backyard.

Are you prone to letting shooters camp in your driveway? or?

No argument there but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a top line diplomatic issue that diplomats work through. What you're overlooking in your sarcasm is the question of whether that is a direct to military response opposed to a diplomatic conversation.

I think I've shown quite a bit of understanding in this thread.

You on the other hand were pretty reductive and dismissive and instead of addressing what I actually stated
you started talking about the "kremlin" or whatever.

If you say so champ.

 

[Robbie3000]

I'm being reductive, yet you literally used the Kremlins talking points to justify the war in general.



United States, bad - cool I got it.

Just so I'm clear, we're going to ignore the reasons Ukraine wanted to be in NATO and skip right to the west entertaining those desires as an acceptable catalyst for the current Ukraine/Russia war - because well, the US by default is the bad guy?

Sometimes i feel like I'm talkig new born babies. What was NATO's purpose for existing? Why did it continue to expand after the fall of the U.S.S.R. If the U.S can declare the western hemispere off limits to the point of threatening a nuclear war over weapons in Cuba, surely we could have left the former USSR states out of NATO.

Jesus Christ, the entirety of the U.S history is them breaking one treaty after another with Native Americans. That's just what they do.

 

[Hood Critic]

I mean we just took someone out in the middle of peace (disarmament) talks but I'm wrong
or playing at some unknowable deeper knowledge than I really have when we were
literally the aggressor not even 7 days ago?

Are we really doing this ?

Again, at what point do we question things ?

You don't have to think I'm some genius with a 4-Dimensional understanding of reality to see
what's going on.

Are we really doing THIS though? Conflating two different conflicts?

You're the one who went into the hero vs villain rhetoric, not once did I identify the US as a hero/savior or anything other than a selfish actor in any of this other than to ask you a simple question. But that was "reductive".

 

[mastermind]

Sometimes i feel like I'm talkig new born babies. What was NATO's purpose for existing? Why did it continue to expand after the fall of the U.S.S.R. If the U.S can declare the western hemispere off limits to the point of threatening a nuclear war over weapons in Cuba, surely we could have left the former USSR states out of NATO.

Jesus Christ, the entirety of the U.S history is them breaking one treaty after another with Native Americans. That's just what they do.

I said it earlier, America largely believe the US should be able to do whatever it wants and support the empire.

 

[Hood Critic]

Sometimes i feel like I'm talkig new born babies. What was NATO's purpose for existing? Why did it continue to expand after the fall of the U.S.S.R. If the U.S can declare the western hemispere off limits to the point of threatening a nuclear war over weapons in Cuba, surely we could have left the former USSR states out of NATO.

Jesus Christ, the entirety of the U.S history is them breaking one treaty after another with Native Americans. That's just what they do.

I don't know, maybe because you missed the point?

NATO's existence is pretty implied from me asking for us to consider first and foremost why Ukraine would want to be a member before rushing to legitimize Russia's reasons for being upset and defaulting to demonizing the US. You all keep stressing this as if we don't know our foreign policy's #1 goal isn't self preservation and maintaining our super power status.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

 

[Insensitive]

No argument there but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a top line diplomatic issue that diplomats work through. What you're overlooking in your sarcasm is the question of whether that is a direct to military response opposed to a diplomatic conversation.



If you say so champ.

There's no need to be diplomatic with a state that has repeatedly shown itself to be aggressive.

Bombing others.
Sanctioning others.
Arming others.
Again - would you let the stick up kid hang out at your front door or no?

Are we really doing THIS though? Conflating two different conflicts?

You're the one who went into the hero vs villain rhetoric, not once did I identify the US as a hero/savior or anything other than a selfish actor in any of this other than to ask you a simple question. But that was "reductive".

Yes.

Because these conflicts are all interconnected.

And are directly related to our changing station/status in the world.

None of this is "by accident" or "happenstance".

 

[Robbie3000]

I don't know, maybe because you missed the point?

NATO's existence is pretty implied from me asking for us to consider first and foremost why Ukraine would want to be a member before rushing to legitimize Russia's reasons for being upset and defaulting to demonizing the US. You all keep stressing this as if we don't know our foreign policy's #1 goal isn't self preservation and maintaining our super power status.

I just noticed your avi for the first time. You are what you are. You are an automaton programmed to always defend the country no matter what.


Were you in the military?

 

[Hood Critic]

There's no need to be diplomatic with a state that has repeatedly shown itself to be aggressive.

Bombing others.
Sanctioning others.
Arming others.
Again - would you let the stick up kid hang out at your front door or no?

Diplomacy between a sovereign Russia and sovereign Ukraine. Again, let's ignore the west and consider if Ukraine and Russia could have worked to an agreement. Did Russia respect Ukrainian sovereignty and did Ukraine have more to lose than gain?

Yes.

Because these conflicts are all interconnected.

And are directly related to our changing station/status in the world.

None of this is "by accident" or "happenstance".

Who's disputing this?

 

[Hood Critic]

I just noticed your avi for the first time. You are what you are. You are an automaton programmed to always defend the country no matter what.


Were you in the military?

I guess you aren't a basketball fan, guess you are what you are.

And I sure was.

 

[Robbie3000]

I guess you aren't a basketball fan, guess you are what you are.

And I sure was.

I knew it and it explains alot.