Oil just crashed

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I’m a bit heavy on biotech for obvious reasons


BCLI isn’t Covid related but they’re trying to develop a ALS treatment. It’s a long term hold for me.

I would exit that Gilead position if I were you :francis:. That was a pump and dump on a colossal scale. They might get investigated by the SEC. I know a couple of people at my job that even filed complaits about Gilead to the SEC.
Congressman calls for SEC investigation into leak about possible coronavirus drug - CNN

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfran...ideo-on-apparent-success-of-gilead-covid.html
 

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..You been living in a ponzi scheme your whole life...parents too...Sharecropping for the last 100 years :usure: ...Last two weeks The Boy Trump dun took control of all 50 states via emergency powers.:lupe:...nationalized the Fed.:lupe:..cut several different oil deals and now shutting shyt down air tight....Fail to recognize an economic reset when you see one Breh's :stopitslime:....
 

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..You been living in a ponzi scheme your whole life...parents too...Sharecropping for the last 100 years :usure: ...Last two weeks The Boy Trump dun took control of all 50 states via emergency powers.:lupe:...nationalized the Fed.:lupe:..cut several different oil deals and now shutting shyt down air tight....Fail to recognize an economic reset when you see one Breh's :stopitslime:....

That means he gonna get clapped. JFK got,smoked for merely mentioning secret societies, and Reagan almost got,clapped for mentioning that he wants to end the Fed.
 

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Which oil stock in particular would you choose if you had 5k on hand to invest for the easy flip?

Okay so the thing is, and a few people mentioned this, oil for immediate delivery is zero / negative because there’s no place to put. But if you want to buy oil to be delivered in the future, then the prices are very different.

I’m assuming overall the sentiment towards oil is very negative so if you buy oil stocks now, you could pick up from the rebound.

However any gain you make is unrelated largely to zero prices today and more is a reflection that oil will recover at a faster speed than the rest of the market thinks based on how corona virus, saudi russia american oil dialogues take place, how the economy opens up

Smart money is on vested interests in us russia saudi (trump is friends with saudi, so many oil lobbyists in dc etc) pushing prices back up, so its quite a good deal now to load up on oil stocks

Sucks that I don’t have much money, but would be an easy flip
 

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Can you really make money off trading options? :jbhmm:
crazy money

can also lose crazy money

I personally wouldnt do it if you can day trade though because the people really making money on it are basically getting into a call or put option and in like 15-30 minutes theyre out , and they do this 2-4 times a day
 

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110 years was a good run fukkboys.
The Meeting at Jekyll Island | Federal Reserve History

Heres the clean history of the longest running ponzi scheme in history


fukk that. They orchestrated a war and economic collapse and manipulated the government into using paper play money as its currency.

The worst part besides the debt=money money=debt cycle.
Besides interest being greater than 1, in the form of a currency i pay to have printed. For every dollar we owe 1+, but we have to print more to pay that, so we owe more, so we print more, so we owe more....
No standard, no good to back it, no commodity to measure its worth. Only debt.

Nah the worst part is Fractional Reserve Banking.
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TBH the gold standard had plenty of its own problems. You go around the world invading indigenous populations, starting wars, and digging shyt up with massive environmental pollution.....just so you can rebury it under your own banks?

We need to look for a new way, something like the Charles Eisenstein proposal where we root our currency in a standard that is also a universal public good.

Here is one way it could work: first, we reach a collective, politically mediated agreement on the right amount of nature to turn toward human purposes: how much of the produce of the sea, how much of the soil, the water; how much of the capacity of the atmosphere to absorb and transform waste; how much of the land’s ability to recover from the scars of mineral extraction; how much of the gift of fossil fuels, metal ores, and other wealth; how much of nature’s quiet to give over to machine noises; how much of the dark night sky to give to city lights. These decisions often require scientific understanding, but just as often they embody value judgments. Both contribute to our collective agreement on how much natural capital to consume.

Such a decision is something new on the face of the earth. To be sure, governments today use regulations and taxes to halt or slow the consumption of certain parts of the commons, but never yet have we gotten together to ask, “How much is enough?” Ancient villages protected their commons through tradition, custom, and social pressure (the “tragedy of the commons” is largely a myth) (2), but on the scale of society today, we need to engage a political process to reach and implement a consensus. This process would consider the scientific consensus about what use of the commons is sustainable, as well as the social consensus about the relative importance of, say, the labor-saving convenience of internal combustion engines versus the pleasures of a quiet autumn day.

Once we have decided how much of each commons should be made available for use, we can issue money “backed” by it. For example, we might decide that the atmosphere can sustain total sulfur dioxide emissions of two million tons a year. We can then use the emissions rights as a currency backing. The same goes for the rest of the commons. The result would be a long list comprising all the elements of the commons we agree to use for economic purposes. Conceptually, it might look something like this:

Our money derives its value from the right to harvest 300,000 tons of cod from the Newfoundland cod fishery, the right to draw 30 million gallons of water monthly from the Ogallala Aquifer, the right to emit 10 billion tons of CO2, the right to pump 2 billion barrels of oil from the ground, the use of the X-microhertz band of the electromagnetic spectrum …

How to implement this in practice? One way would be for the government to simply create money and spend it into the economy in the way governments spend tax revenues today. The money would circulate through the economy and eventually back to the government when producers redeem it for the backing items. This could happen through auction, or relative prices for the backing items could be set in advance and then adjusted each year according to actual prices on the secondary market. Either way, the redemption of money for backing items would function just like a tax on resources and pollution.

Let’s look at a concrete example of how it might work. A local government issues salaries to police, firefighters, and the local ecological cleanup crew. One of them spends her salary on food, electricity, and a new transmission for her car. The food comes from a local farm, which spends part of the money for the right to pump 300,000 gallons of water a year from the local aquifer. This payment goes to the local government, which is the steward of that part of the commons.

Meanwhile, part of the money for the transmission goes to a factory somewhere, which pays part of that for pollution credits needed to operate. That cost is embodied in the price of the transmission, which also reflects the pollution credits for the gasoline used to transport it, the mineral rights for the iron ore used to make the steel, and so forth. These payments go to various stewards of the commons, some local, some regional, some national or global. Any factory that figures out a way to use less of the commons—for example, to make less pollution, or to use recycled metal from old junkyards—will be able to reduce its costs and earn a higher profit. The profit motive thereby becomes the ally, not the enemy, of our desire to heal the earth.

Remember the principle that whatever commodity we use as money becomes valuable, so that we seek more of it. When gold is money, we mine more gold, beyond any practical need for it. In societies where cattle are money, people keep herds beyond what they need. If we use oil or energy as a currency backing, as some propose, then we will try to produce and hoard more oil. But what if we use oil still in the ground, gold still under the mountain, and forests still in their pristine state as currency backing? Won’t we then elevate their value, too, and seek to create more and more of them? The mechanism is not at all mysterious. If you have to pay the full environmental costs of oil extraction, you will diligently find ways to keep it in the ground. If you have to pay for each unit of pollution, you will strive to pollute less.

An alternative means to the same end would be for the government to create credit-money by borrowing from the central bank at zero interest and repaying the loans with money from the sale of the items of the commons it holds in trust. The government could also issue bonds to investors and the central bank exercise monetary policy as it does today by purchasing or selling varying amounts of these bonds on the open market. It is crucial that these bonds bear zero (or negative) interest, a possibility I will explain in the next two chapters. Otherwise, a need for perpetual growth in the use of the commons would be created.

Either way, producers would have a financial incentive to minimize their use of the commons. No such incentive exists today, or if it does, it exists only haphazardly. This system would fully internalize social and ecological costs. Today, when a mining company drains an aquifer or a trawling fleet depletes a fishery, the costs to society and the planet are external to the producer’s own balance sheet. With this system, that is no longer true. Since these costs would be passed onto downstream industries and eventually to consumers, consumers would no longer face today’s dilemma that the cheapest products are those that cause the most social and environmental damage, while the fair-trade and eco-friendly products are way more expensive. Instead, products that avoided pollution in their manufacture would be cheaper because pollution quotas would cost a lot of money. Products would be more expensive in proportion to the amount of the natural commons consumed in their production.
 

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Like I said

Locking down isn't a sustainable solution


Honestly it's a Catch22 regardless :yeshrug:

Either spark the economy back up and avoid complete anarchy but die via the coronavirus through natural selection

Or

stay locked down and die of starvation and isolation and everything becomes complete anarchy because survival of the fittest kicks in via violence

:francis: There's no getting around it
 
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