_DC
D.C.
fukk nikka negged me.. 
Okafor and Noel on the trading block
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First off, my bad for calling you out your name. I am wrong for that.
Cheaper vets, they suck, vets don't care about potential, they trying to win now. Unless you got something like KG who is loyal to a franchise, most vets want to play for good teams, none want to play for teams like Washington at that time. They weren't trying to join.
The Elton Brands of the world don't work because they can't do shyt for the most part. You got to have guys like Joe Johnson and Ricky Rubio. Good or very good players vet mixed in with young guys. The vets have to do a lot of the mental work as well as ball and give the young players room so they can grow.
The NBA is an extremely tough league, some many talented guys are on benches, didn't reach their potential because they played on a bad team at the start, got the wrong idea what NBA life is all about and now they are Terrence Ross without the work ethic that Ross has. That has happened all throughout NBA history because unlike a video game, players have lives and personalities, interests, goals, motives and not every situation is ideal. It took Atlanta 3 months to undue the bullshyt Hardaway Jr learned in New York. MCW career is ruined because of all the bad habits he learned playing PG for the Sixers.
The NBA is like any job you do in real life. The wrong fit or move can regress you and the right one can make you special.
Thanks for acknowledging, I am just trying to give a different view to this whole tanking stuff. A lot of teams go by the consistent strategy which is signing few really servicable players, signing some veterans and having one or two very good but not yet elite players who might turn out to be gold or not. Those teams play a few seasons, start winning playoff games and hope that this whole competitive winning culture team image of their franchise may help them take the next step and maybe interest superstar caliber players when they look for a new team to play.
For example celtics have a team of lots of complementary players perfectly built for a superstar like demarcus, they building winning culture, are they going to land him via trade? Very little chance. That's what I am saying, for a team to go from good to elite is very very tough. So it was interesting to see sixers, who had no cornerstone piece, deciding to tank for a few seasons to draft that superstar, was interesting to see how would it turn out, because it was a move that some franchises might have thought but were scared to try. Did their plan work out well? Not that much because unfortunately Embiid is the injury prone and they went by the startegy of drafting best available talent which unfortunately were mostly big men, Okafor and even that Saric guy is like almost 6ft10. The top picks this year are also tall players, they will probably draft Simmons. Maybe this years draft will give them great results.
It's hard to find the perfect time to make a switch from rebuild (or reload) to a win now stage.
Every team with young players need mentorship, thats true, whether its coaching staff or veterans, the biggest mistake that sixers done in their tanking was not acknowledging the lack of veteran presence, landry or brand wasn't enough. They built the losing culture in the sixers locker room, I agree with that. One or two tanking years is enough, three or four is too much as players lose patience. As a result of this losing culture we already saw okafor having a fight in boston. Veterans usually ring chase, thats right, there is still a group of veterans who dont find a contender team to play for, and they can be used to mentor guys. Raps and hawks are talented teams, they did not go to conference finals for no reason, but besides hard working mentality the natural talent is extremely valuable and thats why cavs, warriors, thunder are winning games and considered legit contenders, sixers saw that superstar model but forgot about the mentorship part in those years. Lowry and Derozan gained more experience and they will figure out a few things, not all, for the next season for raptors, will that be enough to beat the natural talent that cavs have? I dont think so. And a year after? There might be a new team with superstars challenging Bron in the east.
It was a high risk high reward move for the sixers, but they made a few mistakes, situation is still possible to fix, it's not a complete fiasco.Its hard to build a contender team when you don't have a superstar caliber player that you build around. Sixers had no player like that before tanking started.
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The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
please bring hinkie back.... we do all this tanking to get high picks... they actually playing pretty well.... get rid of the guy who got us the first pick.... and the first idea is to trade the 2 best players we have
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
is he healthy? will he remain healthy? who's going to be our franchise center if he isn't?
put all your eggs in broken basket brehs
_DC
D.C.
You nikkas really think they're going to trade BOTH of them.. 
3 centers on the team & you nikkas never prepared yourselves for the possibility of them using one as a trade chip!?!?
3 centers on the team & you nikkas never prepared yourselves for the possibility of them using one as a trade chip!?!?
zayk35
Superstar
See Kwhai Leonard landing with the spurs
_DC
D.C.
MCW picked up bad habits from the Sixers!?!?
I thought he came in with 3 point shot & turnover struggles???
I thought he came in with 3 point shot & turnover struggles???
_DC
D.C.
Maybe this will help with the "Sixers are getting rid of every good player narrative."
Philadelphia 76ers: Reading Into Trade “Reports”
Philadelphia 76ers: Reading Into Trade “Reports”
The problem with the "Sixers are better off now" argument is that it's based on best case scenarios. That was my biggest gripe with The Process, it was totally reliant on optimism and everything working out perfectly.
The player the sixers pick in June could turn out to be a total bust. Embiid hasn't played in two years and people are basing his potential off what he did in half a season of good play in kansas. Saric basically has to be the next Dirk to justify all his hype, and there are rumors that he doesn't want to play for the sixers and may stay in europe until his rights expire. I remember when people were mad Noel was getting compared to Theo Ratliff. 3 yrs into his career and it's looking like a long shot that he will ever make an ASG like ratliff did. And Okafor is basically Al Jefferson with off the court issues. Never mind the traded overhyped players like MCW and KJ McDaniels.
Newflash guys.....that best case scenario shyt has been a L so far. So all people can do is double down and convince themselves the sixers will win the lottery , no pun, and pick someone who turns out to be KD/Lebron level. Been trying that the last 3-4 yrs, but good luck
As far as the Jrue, Iggy, Thad team being mediocre .....they went to the 2nd round in 2011. The raptors who were just in the finals weren't even in the playoffs that year and didn't make the playoffs until two years later. The raptors have no legit bonafide franchise player on a lebron or kd level. Just a bunch of all stars (borderline allstars) in Lowry and Derozan and pieces around them like Valacunias, Bizmack, and Carroll. So basically the raptors went from a team that was worst than the sixers to the ECF and the second best team in the east during the time the sixers have been tanking.
with no tier 1 superstar mind you. Just through building a cohesive team and making smart decisions
Theoretically it's possible that the Iggy/Jrue sixers could have been in the same position with a couple of more moves(and not the dumb bynum trade). It's not like that team had salary cap issues. Also remember they trade Mo Harkless who is better than any current Sixer perimeter player and Vucevic who honestly probably better than both Noel and Okafor. And if we are going to apply the best case scenario to the worst team in the league Sixers why can't you apply to that 2011 team that had an upward trajectory?
God forbid the sixers draft Ingram and he turns out to be Al Harrington 2.0, then it'll be about the player yall going be getting in 2018
@ that bullshyt you just typedfukk nikka negged me..
I stopped responding to that dude months ago
The problem with the "Sixers are better off now" argument is that it's based on best case scenarios. That was my biggest gripe with The Process, it was totally reliant on optimism and everything working out perfectly.
The player the sixers pick in June could turn out to be a total bust. Embiid hasn't played in two years and people are basing his potential off what he did in half a season of good play in kansas. Saric basically has to be the next Dirk to justify all his hype, and there are rumors that he doesn't want to play for the sixers and may stay in europe until his rights expire. I remember when people were mad Noel was getting compared to Theo Ratliff. 3 yrs into his career and it's looking like a long shot that he will ever make an ASG like ratliff did. And Okafor is basically Al Jefferson with off the court issues. Never mind the traded overhyped players like MCW and KJ McDaniels.
Newflash guys.....that best case scenario shyt has been a L so far. So all people can do is double down and convince themselves the sixers will win the lottery , no pun, and pick someone who turns out to be KD/Lebron level. Been trying that the last 3-4 yrs, but good luck
As far as the Jrue, Iggy, Thad team being mediocre .....they went to the 2nd round in 2011. The raptors who were just in the finals weren't even in the playoffs that year and didn't make the playoffs until two years later. The raptors have no legit bonafide franchise player on a lebron or kd level. Just a bunch of all stars (borderline allstars) in Lowry and Derozan and pieces around them like Valacunias, Bizmack, and Carroll. So basically the raptors went from a team that was worst than the sixers to the ECF and the second best team in the east during the time the sixers have been tanking.
with no tier 1 superstar mind you. Just through building a cohesive team and making smart decisions
Theoretically it's possible that the Iggy/Jrue sixers could have been in the same position with a couple of more moves(and not the dumb bynum trade). It's not like that team had salary cap issues. Also remember they trade Mo Harkless who is better than any current Sixer perimeter player and Vucevic who honestly probably better than both Noel and Okafor. And if we are going to apply the best case scenario to the worst team in the league Sixers why can't you apply to that 2011 team that had an upward trajectory?
God forbid the sixers draft Ingram and he turns out to be Al Harrington 2.0, then it'll be about the player yall going be getting in 2018
And that's why the Raptor fans are talking about blowing it up, there's a ceiling on what you can do and how much you can actually improve when you don't have that star player yet have a competitive team.
Yeah, he's coming over
Philadelphia 76ers: Dario Saric’s Playoffs in Turkey
It won't take that much, it's already known they're looking to move him.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
I wouldn't use Flip as an example of how to do it right. Getting KG was deeper than hoops. That was for a potential ownership group and undoing a lot of bad blood. Prince was promised a big role which is why he signed. Miller was promised a potential coaching staff role after he retired. When Flip died a lot of those promises weren't held up. Having them as mentors didn't hurt but they didn't come there because of the core. They had other incentives.
It's not that I don't like Okafor, I think he's one of the best offensive bigs in the league. But his play style doesn't fit with the rest of our roster. 
He wouldn't fit wit Simmons, bad defensive duo, both ball dominant players
He could possibly fit with Saric on offense but on defense it would be a disaster
He can't fit with Noel
He may fit offensively with Joel but on defense he's too slow footed to guard 4's on the perimeter.
He wouldn't fit wit Simmons, bad defensive duo, both ball dominant players
He could possibly fit with Saric on offense but on defense it would be a disaster
He can't fit with Noel
He may fit offensively with Joel but on defense he's too slow footed to guard 4's on the perimeter.