Okafor and Noel on the trading block

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Thanks for acknowledging, I am just trying to give a different view to this whole tanking stuff. A lot of teams go by the consistent strategy which is signing few really servicable players, signing some veterans and having one or two very good but not yet elite players who might turn out to be gold or not. Those teams play a few seasons, start winning playoff games and hope that this whole competitive winning culture team image of their franchise may help them take the next step and maybe interest superstar caliber players when they look for a new team to play.

For example celtics have a team of lots of complementary players perfectly built for a superstar like demarcus, they building winning culture, are they going to land him via trade? Very little chance. That's what I am saying, for a team to go from good to elite is very very tough. So it was interesting to see sixers, who had no cornerstone piece, deciding to tank for a few seasons to draft that superstar, was interesting to see how would it turn out, because it was a move that some franchises might have thought but were scared to try. Did their plan work out well? Not that much because unfortunately Embiid is the injury prone and they went by the startegy of drafting best available talent which unfortunately were mostly big men, Okafor and even that Saric guy is like almost 6ft10. The top picks this year are also tall players, they will probably draft Simmons. Maybe this years draft will give them great results.

It's hard to find the perfect time to make a switch from rebuild (or reload) to a win now stage.

Every team with young players need mentorship, thats true, whether its coaching staff or veterans, the biggest mistake that sixers done in their tanking was not acknowledging the lack of veteran presence, landry or brand wasn't enough. They built the losing culture in the sixers locker room, I agree with that. One or two tanking years is enough, three or four is too much as players lose patience. As a result of this losing culture we already saw okafor having a fight in boston. Veterans usually ring chase, thats right, there is still a group of veterans who dont find a contender team to play for, and they can be used to mentor guys. Raps and hawks are talented teams, they did not go to conference finals for no reason, but besides hard working mentality the natural talent is extremely valuable and thats why cavs, warriors, thunder are winning games and considered legit contenders, sixers saw that superstar model but forgot about the mentorship part in those years. Lowry and Derozan gained more experience and they will figure out a few things, not all, for the next season for raptors, will that be enough to beat the natural talent that cavs have? I dont think so. And a year after? There might be a new team with superstars challenging Bron in the east.

It was a high risk high reward move for the sixers, but they made a few mistakes, situation is still possible to fix, it's not a complete fiasco.Its hard to build a contender team when you don't have a superstar caliber player that you build around. Sixers had no player like that before tanking started.
I dapped this due to you giving well thought-out interesting post.

I understand the tanking strategy. I do. That doesn't mean I don't understand the hardest process which is going from bad to below average then to decent. That's the hardest part. Orlando has been in below average land for years. They can barely even become average like a team like Utah for example who is literally league average. Look at Utah. Three franchise players they say. A center who @Malta loves like a son. Another in Exum with franchise potential and they are stuck in average zone. In this league, you gotta have veterans who can play. No other way you can win. The game is a 48 minute game. Attention to detail is extremely important. Most young players lack it but without define roles, you end up with teams who never seem to get it on a nightly basis like Utah.

The reason I bring them up is because that's what is the usual best case scenario of tanking. The rarities is OKC. That's the once in a lifetime LeBron type of impact. Hell, Orlando with Shaq went 41 and 41. Shaq instantly made them average as he was an elite prospect and coming in as an upperclassmen, he was an exceptional prospect and once in a lifetime. They won the lottery from the lowest odds with a team with vets and got a supreme talent in Hardaway and they moved from average to good, skipped very good to elite due to their talent. That's an exception to the rule. Now the norm is the Washington Wizards, the Minnesota Timberwolves with Kevin Love, the Sacramento Kings. This is the norm. These are teams that have players who didn't play to their capabilities. They have trouble developing their players to be impact and all of them had to trade for vets to make a leap from bad to below average and only one, Washington moved up to average. This is the norm of tanking. The best case of the norm was Atlanta. They couldn't develop a single player till Joe Johnson signed a max 70 million dollar deal. Then they got Horford and traded wasted players for Bibby and have been winning since. Even then, they wasted time.

This is the NBA, these teams are not easy to build. You bring up Boston. They are a team of a lot of role players who all fit very well. They don't have an obvious weakness and their well coached. Look at most of their players. They have 4 years of college and they have a lot of young NBA veterans. Thomas has been in the league for 6 years. Turner for 5 years. Crowder for 4 years. Jonas J. Bradley for 5 years. So you add their college experience with their NBA experience. They have a mindset to play system Basketball and their more mature.

I think systems can add guys like to become natural talent. Who though Leonard in college. He was a tweener with a nice shooting stroke who played PF and had impressive tools. Ben McLemore who was an amazing talent and Bill Self stated, the most talented player he's coached is just a below average SG and hasn't seem to improve when by all accounts, he's a very hard worker. How does that happen?

That's why I don't buy into this treadmill shyt. Too many things can happen.
 

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They are not trading both. They know they have to get rid of one, so they're gauging interest for both to see which one can net the biggest haul. And everyone keeps saying we're trading players away. Who have we traded in three years outside of MCW!?!? Y'all nikkas just see it the way y'all want to see it. Hinkie acquired a ton of assets for this reason. To wheel & deal! To keep and/or move parts to round out the roster... Why everyone thinks we should've been happy to be a treadmill squad is beyond me!?!?
Because like with the idea of tanking itself, fans don't wanna believe that teams can be that bad. That's why few people clown the T'Wolves now even though they've been worse over a longer period of time (they have the roster Hinkie wanted but it appears as if they tried harder, so Philly gets more shame)
 

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Will you keep Noel with Embiid?

Probably not, but I am just wondering what they can get for him.

They're going to keep Noel & Embiid, if Embiid is healthy then you have a defensive big off the bench in Noel, if he's not healthy you have your starting center who has been elite defensively since he joined the league.
 

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Because like with the idea of tanking itself, fans don't wanna believe that teams can be that bad. That's why few people clown the T'Wolves now even though they've been worse over a longer period of time (they have the roster Hinkie wanted but it appears as if they tried harder, so Philly gets more shame)
Agreed.
 

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Okafor for the 3rd pick straight up makes sense....Bender isnt a sure thing.. The sixers wouldnt draft Bender at 3 anyway, that wouldnt make any sense...gotta assume they take dunn at 3. Okafor was the third pick, and I think showed everyone that hes going to be a force in the league.

As a sixers fan...i dont jump even a little bit at this "Oh were getting Embiid back...hes going to be a force" FOH....dudes still learning how to walk correct again, u cant put any faith in that. Itll take a year to get his feet wet, and thats without getting hurt again...dont forget he has back issues on top of his feet. People get fascinated that he can "shoot threes"....if we have this dude shooting 3s at 30% out there, trust me...thats the last thing we need. Thats cute he can make some during pregrame warmups on hobbled foot...thats not what we need
 
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The problem with the "Sixers are better off now" argument is that it's based on best case scenarios. That was my biggest gripe with The Process, it was totally reliant on optimism and everything working out perfectly.

The player the sixers pick in June could turn out to be a total bust. Embiid hasn't played in two years and people are basing his potential off what he did in half a season of good play in kansas. Saric basically has to be the next Dirk to justify all his hype, and there are rumors that he doesn't want to play for the sixers and may stay in europe until his rights expire. I remember when people were mad Noel was getting compared to Theo Ratliff. 3 yrs into his career and it's looking like a long shot that he will ever make an ASG like ratliff did. And Okafor is basically Al Jefferson with off the court issues. Never mind the traded overhyped players like MCW and KJ McDaniels.

Newflash guys.....that best case scenario shyt has been a L so far. So all people can do is double down and convince themselves the sixers will win the lottery , no pun, and pick someone who turns out to be KD/Lebron level. Been trying that the last 3-4 yrs, but good luck

As far as the Jrue, Iggy, Thad team being mediocre .....they went to the 2nd round in 2011. The raptors who were just in the finals weren't even in the playoffs that year and didn't make the playoffs until two years later. The raptors have no legit bonafide franchise player on a lebron or kd level. Just a bunch of all stars (borderline allstars) in Lowry and Derozan and pieces around them like Valacunias, Bizmack, and Carroll. So basically the raptors went from a team that was worst than the sixers to the ECF and the second best team in the east during the time the sixers have been tanking. :mjlol:
with no tier 1 superstar mind you. Just through building a cohesive team and making smart decisions


Theoretically it's possible that the Iggy/Jrue sixers could have been in the same position with a couple of more moves(and not the dumb bynum trade). It's not like that team had salary cap issues. Also remember they trade Mo Harkless who is better than any current Sixer perimeter player and Vucevic who honestly probably better than both Noel and Okafor. And if we are going to apply the best case scenario to the worst team in the league Sixers why can't you apply to that 2011 team that had an upward trajectory?
God forbid the sixers draft Ingram and he turns out to be Al Harrington 2.0, then it'll be about the player yall going be getting in 2018 :whew:

But the sixers don't want to be the raptors they want to be a contender one day and to be that you need a top player

As good a year as the Raptors had they can't win a title with having second tier guys as their best players

This year is their ceiling. Outside of Lebron dying they can't get past the Cavs nor could they beat a west team with Lowry and Derozan as their best players
 

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Philly reporter trying to act like the third pick wouldn't be enough and the Celtics would have to include Bradley or smart to make a deal happen for okafor

Gtfoh, that ain't happening

Smart's expendable, but 3 alone won't do it for Okafor. Throw in RJ Hunter and a 2nd and it's fair

btw, Celts are up next in the mock
 

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Smart's expendable, but 3 alone won't do it for Okafor. Throw in RJ Hunter and a 2nd and it's fair

btw, Celts are up next in the mock

Smart may be expendable but I wouldn't do a 3rd and smart for okafor

I'm down with including either young or Hunter and one of our seconds tho

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