Old heads, is it true the '98 DMX is what killed the shiny suit era & forced Hov to change his sound?

[DrexlersFade]

RIP Gotti, always been a fantastic storyteller

Jay always been a hater lol, and he just didn’t like X but a capitalist will break bread with anybody.

The had suits and choreographed dancing in the Can I Get A music video, just no shiny suits.

The most overblown talking point ever

Yes. Jay was a follower; he didn't set trends

Nothing forced Hov to change his sound. He is Alex Mack a known wave hopper transformer clout chaser!!

When linkin park was hot he made an album with them... same with a known pedophile.. twice... hov only cares about relevance not art

Camel is a wave rider. Vol. 1 was a knockoff bad boy album. Vol. 2 switched to what was hot in 98 the original Drake

More revisionist history to try to slander Hov

Fake paternity suits haven't worked so here we are

Nothing like a good truth telling Jay Z thread
First in 96 he was a Gambino crime lord just check his first album cover

Won't even get into the shiny suit 97 era and before he rapped like the Fu-schnikens


We were around and he's always been a dikk riding fakkit who loved the attention

 

[The_Dread_Dormammu]

I made a similar post a few weeks ago and it was pretty much ignored

Make the thread

 

[KnickstapeCity]

nikkas avoiding this post like the plague

Here’s a post we’re not going to avoid






Fukk Camel

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Yep.

 

[FreshAIG]

Mainly quality wise. And em and Nelly shattered that first week record in 00

His third album is second best album debatably.

I think the real drop off quality wise was The Great Depression. I thought Grand Champ was good after that, but then Year of the Dog wasn't good (minus a couple records).

 

[2ATMsYouSteppinOrWhat]

Make the thread

I’m tempted
but i’m not tryna raise these motherfukkers blood pressure

 

[Unbothered]

I'm not an old head, but in retrospect, “Shiny suits” era Hip-Hop wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. It's really just a term for heavily R&B-infused focused Hip-Hop. Basically, rappers and fans on the East Coast, specifically NYC were falling in love with R&B hooks and melodic beats.

What the “shiny suits” era did was, at the time, effectively kill off hardcore Hip-Hop, y'know, groups and acts like Boot Camp Clik, Mobb Deep, Lost Boyz, Onyx, etc, all had to either change their styles or become irrelevant. If you were a fan of dark, gritty, grimy, rugged, etc, sounding beats, that dominated the NY sound in the early-mid '90s, then the “shiny suit” era was like hell on earth.

In other words, on the East Coast, you couldn't rap like it was 1993-1995 anymore, you had become more R&B focused, still could hardcore, but needed to balance it out with melodic hooks; some of them excelled, and others failed miserably.

 

[BigMan]

I thought Jay was a afterthought back then


Why does his name come up all the time


What about the other MC’s that was clearly better


I dont get why this dude name keep coming up when no one listens to him


It’s strange

Jay went like triple plat in 98 he was def not an afterthought

 

[Harry B]

Shiny suit era still one of the dumbest things people talk about.

Jay-z was dropping songs like Where I'm From and Friend or Foe 97 during that era, is that shiny suit music?
Big's LAD is Shiny Suit era, what was Shiny about it except Another One?

Jay's so called changed hardbody style had kids singing Annie on the hook.

The best song on the pinnacle Shiny Suit album was one of the hardest songs in hiphop history in Victory.

Dudes are taking the music videos of 5-6 singles and calling it an era, and people just keep on running with it without stopping and saying what was it really? Was it just those singles? Was it the fact that people all over the place from Pac to Nas to Jay to Ghostface had RnB singers on hooks? Was it people who during 2 months rocked a Versace collection? Like do we call the Covid era the Amiri era?

 

[Iverson_64]

I thought Jay was a afterthought back then


Why does his name come up all the time


What about the other MC’s that was clearly better


I dont get why this dude name keep coming up when no one listens to him


It’s strange

Jay wasn't an afterthought at all after 1997.....

 

[Iverson_64]

The most overblown talking point ever

But it's facts though.

DMX represented a paradigm shift in hip hop and Ruff Ryders overtook Bad Boy as the most popular East Coast hip hop movement for a while, indicated by how the LOX switched over.

Hell, Jay himself toured with X and tried to start a whole group with DMX and Ja Rule that didn't pan out.

After X's wave, all the colorful shiny suit music videos and blatant pop samples in hip hop beats died down tremendously. And more rappers tried to sound raw and hardcore again.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Jay wasn't an afterthought at all after 1997.....

That’s all that’s said on here and other places

Saying his music aged badly

But have a hissy fit for him not doing anything for hip-hop 50 or performed at the Grammys


I’m like


Way was there a damn line of hip-hop legends trying to take pics with him

Especially when “no one played any Jay-z songs in the south or west coast or the mid west and was not on top any year in nyc”



It’s just strange at this point

 

[Barney Rubble]

maybe it's cause I'm not from ny but I never got this vibe that dmx was some revolutionary rapper who changed everything, I just thought he was a dope rapper in an era with a lot of dope rappers. I only ever heard this shyt online tbh

no one came after tryna imitate his style, matter of fact when I first saw him in ruff ryders anthem video I was like who is this fake 2pac lol

Nah X had clones. He wasn't revolutionary but he was HUGE. My whole high school was jammin X heavy. He had a lot of stans. Got more love than Jay on his own tour.

This shyt was shameless

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I'm not an old head, but in retrospect, “Shiny suits” era Hip-Hop wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. It's really just a term for heavily R&B-infused focused Hip-Hop. Basically, rappers and fans on the East Coast, specifically NYC were falling in love with R&B hooks and melodic beats.

What the “shiny suits” era did was, at the time, effectively kill off hardcore Hip-Hop, y'know, groups and acts like Boot Camp Clik, Mobb Deep, Lost Boyz, Onyx, etc, all had to either change their styles or become irrelevant. If you were a fan of dark, gritty, grimy, rugged, etc, sounding beats, that dominated the NY sound in the early-mid '90s, then the “shiny suit” era was like hell on earth.

In other words, on the East Coast, you couldn't rap like it was 1993-1995 anymore, you had become more R&B focused, still could hardcore, but needed to balance it out with melodic hooks; some of them excelled, and others failed miserably.

Which is exactly why I always say fukk diddy. Shiny suit shyt was gay af

 

[Barney Rubble]

Which is exactly why I always say fukk diddy. Shiny suit shyt was gay af

They don't know. If you younger and listening to albums from 98,99,2000 etc. it sounds so much better than most of today's shyt. But, at the time, hiphop felt like it was dying to us. shyt went from a classic album every two weeks to every three to six months. fukk diddy eternally.