Old heads, what was big and pac's presence in the music scene like when they were alive?

[Mike Otherz]

Numbers speak for itself. Both All Eyez on Me and Life after death did monster numbers.. The fukk nikkas talking that local shyt talking about?

disgraceful fact free post. Life After Death came out after big dies. how the fx is tha representative of his status when he was alive? like i said, with AEOM, pac star was just shooting up faster and faster. but he died before he rally sold gazzilions, it was all after the death.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

So far these responses are the closest to being the most objective. Only thing that I will add to these responses is that I believe that Ice Cube was overall bigger west coast representative over Pac and Snoop. Pac without a doubt became bigger after his death then he ever was alive.

not to come at your neck, but i peeped that you use this post a lot. you even forgot to erase the quote mark at the end.

i mostly agree except the part about cube & snoop being bigger than pac before he died. cube was on the downside in the mid '90s. I mean, I cant speak for how the west coast felt on a regional level, but on the overall tip, cube was more synonymous with the silver screen at the time. the westside connection stuff gave him a boost.

snoop wasn't active enough after a while. prolly due to the trial, but whatever. pac took that dude's spot.

pac in '96 was prolly the biggest run ive ever fully witnessed. I mean, you can prolly say run dmc or somebody like that had a bigger year, but that's it.

but again, the idea that pac & big were head & shoulders above the rest is still revisionist.

 

[W.I.Z.E.]

Like many have said...they were both big artists but not God's.

Yall gotta remember what HIp Hop was like during the early to mid 90's. You had, Dre, Nas, Wu, LL had more top hip hop songs (Hey Lover, Doing It, Loungin) in '96 then Pac did. Fugees was big. Bone Thugz dropped what many considered to be a classic.

A lot of yall need to learn facts before yall just start recreating history.

 

[smokeurobinson]

not to come at your neck, but i peeped that you use this post a lot. you even forgot to erase the quote mark at the end.

LMAO...Naa...I didnt quote myself but I have made that statment before....Its funny that u caught that.........the reason u see the quotes is cuz im typing from an old Motorola and the editting process was annoying when quoting 2 people that I just got lazy and left it the way it was...I actually had to fix it 4 times before giving up

 

[@ReallyReal]

And i do believe Snoop and Bone was really big most likely in some ways bigger than Pac and Big at the time.......and yea Coolio......was the Flo Rida of today But if im not mistaken man Tupac was super huge........esp when he first got out.......and hold up M.A.T.W. was like biggest album ever is it me or maybe we just had mad luv for Pac downsouth......but i remember dude had bangers off M.A.T.W. like when Nelly hit.....Dear Mama and Shed So Many Tears.....was being played in church........and how do u forget...

Kid: "Whats wrong mama?"
Mother: "Nothing wrong, all he do is stand by the window with that AK all day.......

man when Pac was alive and rapping as far i recall nobody was bigger or had that impact at the time.......
they had names that could weight against Pac but Pac was the biggest at that time......hands down

 

[blackzeus]

Hip hop is a side story now. In the mid to late 90s sh*t was off the chain, the club scene was hiphop, the music video channels were hiphop, the culture was hiphop. Much more rugged, a Drake/Lil Wayne/Tyga type could have never came up during that era, a rapper wasn't just a rapper back then was the best way to explain it. Even nikkas like Common and Q-Tip would lay the beatz on you. F*ckin' presidential candidates like Dan Quayle runnin' their campaign against rap lyrics, you had a Supreme Court case over freedom of speech rights, just in general, different era. As far as Pac, he was that nikka. You hated him, or you lived him, but you were never indifferent. I grew up in the Chi, we were feelin' Pac a lot more than Biggie, but Biggie used to run the party scene with his music IMHO. But Pac was that nikka. As big if not bigger than 50 Cent in 2001/2003

 

[blackzeus]

And i do believe Snoop and Bone was really big most likely in some ways bigger than Pac and Big at the time.......and yea Coolio......was the Flo Rida of today But if im not mistaken man Tupac was super huge........esp when he first got out.......and hold up M.A.T.W. was like biggest album ever is it me or maybe we just had mad luv for Pac downsouth......but i remember dude had bangers off M.A.T.W. like when Nelly hit.....Dear Mama and Shed So Many Tears.....was being played in church........and how do u forget...

Kid: "Whats wrong mama?"
Mother: "Nothing wrong, all he do is stand by the window with that AK all day.......

man when Pac was alive and rapping as far i recall nobody was bigger or had that impact at the time.......
they had names that could weight against Pac but Pac was the biggest at that time......hands down

Naw b, up in the midwest too. I don't know of another rapper who had that kind of LOVE. Nikkas is not pickin' up straps for Jay-Z like that, but they would for Pac. Pac had soldiers he didn't even know about because of his music.

 

[Brad Piff]

wtf seems like all the vets took the day off or something

pac was hands down the most popular rapper from late 94 til the day he died

biggie was the biggest east coast rapper
each respective coast held their rapper down the hardest

but overall pac was the biggest and most popular, dude was constantly in the news and making movies on top of dropping classic music. anybody saying otherwise is frontin.

 

[scarhead]

disgraceful fact free post. Life After Death came out after big dies. how the fx is tha representative of his status when he was alive? like i said, with AEOM, pac star was just shooting up faster and faster. but he died before he rally sold gazzilions, it was all after the death.

AEOM was multi platinum before his death.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

speaking from a down south perspective only.......

Tupac was what Jay-Z is now.........
Big was what Nas is now.......

Pac embodied everything that Big didnt have.......
Big embodied everything that Pac didnt have.......

these two would be perfect for a group.......

But when they living career wise Pac ran circles around Big.....

like what?

 

[@ReallyReal]

Naw b, up in the midwest too. I don't know of another rapper who had that kind of LOVE. Nikkas is not pickin' up straps for Jay-Z like that, but they would for Pac. Pac had soldiers he didn't even know about because of his music.

Yea i guess some people may not remember as vivid as others but yea Pac had soljas for real fam........
I swear i was anti-Jay-Z for almost a decade after Pac died.........if u rolled with Pac u just rolled with Pac
i remember turning off Hypnotized cuz Pac was dead and Biggie had a video....

do yall remember "I aint mad at cha"...... man Pac was that dude........i seen it posted Pac was like 50 when he first dropped.....
literally Pac was much of that dude u couldve even copy his style......... like to this day, u cant rock a bald head less u Jadakiss....
like Lil Wayne is like the only one who can rock the tats....i mean its bits and pieces of Pac thats still alive and wont die.....

 

[blackzeus]

Yea i guess some people may not remember as vivid as others but yea Pac had soljas for real fam........
I swear i was anti-Jay-Z for almost a decade after Pac died.........if u rolled with Pac u just rolled with Pac
i remember turning off Hypnotized cuz Pac was dead and Biggie had a video....

do yall remember "I aint mad at cha"...... man Pac was that dude........i seen it posted Pac was like 50 when he first dropped.....
literally Pac was much of that dude u couldve even copy his style......... like to this day, u cant rock a bald head less u Jadakiss....
like Lil Wayne is like the only one who can rock the tats....i mean its bits and pieces of Pac thats still alive and wont die.....

Pac was Mike Jack status with nikkaz, he could rock the party with just one line:

"I ain't a killer but don't push me, revenge is like the sweetest JOOOYYYYYYYYY next to gettin' p*ssy"

"Forgive me i'm a rider, still I'm just a simple man
All I want is money, fukk the FAAAAAAAAME I'm a simple man"

"First off f*ck yo b*tch and the click you claim"

I could go on and on. Pac is the one rapper reading the lyrics don't do justice to his music, you have to hear it. Pac's music just generates a different energy.

 

[Flav]

i only like 2pac radio songs back in the DU days.His underground albums sucked COMPARED to IceCube and the other West Coast rappers at that time.It wasnt until MATW that started to like Pac ALBUMS.He died a bigger than life artist.a real rose that grew from concrete.

 

[Mr. Negative]

Pac was HUUUUUUUUUGE....................

but not because of his music.

He was huge because you couldn't turn on the TV without seeing "The Controversial Rapper, Tupac Shakur". He was basically the symbol for The Ghetto's Struggle Against The Oppressive White Mayne. The torch was passed from 2 Live Crew to Ice T to NWA to Tupac. Not by the people. but by the MEDIA. Pac became the troublesome nikka folk hero that simply wouldn't die.




Biggie was a rapper. Big, Mase and Puff had the East Coast Club shyt on smash.


Turn a blind eye to the media sensationalism of the time.

MTV/VH1/Rolling Stone/ All the RIP, Blatant biting and bandwagon jumping by rappers after Pac died got a lot of people brainwashed and fooled.

 

[@ReallyReal]

like what?

Big knew when to be quiet.......Big knew how to hold mouth closed
when i say he embodied things Pac didnt have it was the mere small complex
that really compelled Pac to being the figure he was.......
Big was a Big black tall scary ugly looking dude.......
Pac was lil light dude who couldnt fight......Big had swag (made up swag)
Big had rent-a-swag, that rags to riches swag......that underdog swag
that black and ugly as ever swag.......u just gotta learn how to work around that